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Old 08-12-2018, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I’m black and when Obama was elected I was still a child but my family as a whole moved up from living in a starter home that cost 150,000 dollars to a house that cost 850,000 during the Obama era years. I count it on my parents good saving/ money management skills but they were extremely encouraged by Obama’s election being Africans and Black. About the broader Houston area black community. The murder rate in Houston went from a high of 377 in 2006 to a low of 198 in 2011 (Houston’s metro population increased by several hundred thousand during this period as well and the city was completely unaffected by this immense growth in the number of people). This was during the Obama years. The population of Katy has exploded and especially the Black population in my zip code 77494 which is an upper middle class zip code went from 6% black and 3,800 blacks roughly in 2010 to 9% black and 8,600 blacks estimated in 2016 and its only gotten wealthier since then.

Even the “killing fields” of Chicago has seen huge drops in rates of murder since the 1980s and 1990s. Clearly their has been significant drops.

Now I don’t associate this to Obama but to me at least violent crime wise Blacks have definitely made progress.
Wow, looks like everything is perfect.

Why don’t the statistics reflect your personal anecdote utopia? Could it be because you and your family were destined for success regardless of who was in office?

Why are we now kneeling during the national anthem to protest “inequality” if your personal anecdote represents the black community as a whole? Clearly it doesn’t. Sorry but the kneeling started under Obama too so clearly blacks weren’t happy with his “change.”
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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not only did Obama not improve racial equality, he made it worse
How did he singlehandedly make it worse? Or was he just a mirror for white America's dormant racism? It's almost as if some white people think they're "getting back" at blacks for the NERVE of Obama to be elected (twice!), even though he could not have gotten there without them.
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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not only did Obama not improve racial equality, he made it worse
Yes he did make it worse, much worse. My community will be lucky to ever have a black president again. The “deplorables” came out in full force to elect a reality TV star as president.

When you alienate the white Americans who got you into office, they don’t forget it
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I would also disagree with your characterization of "whining" about the problems we see. It is incumbant on all patriotic Americans to work toward a "more perfect union." If we see oppression, racism, discrimination and inequality damaging the Pursuit of Happiness in this country, we are obligated to speak out and try to change things. It is not whining. The US has never practiced pure capitolism, and has always mixed in social support to greater or lesser degrees. It is up to us to find a balance: keeping capitolism, while rounding the sharp edges that hurt people. We always have to balance the pursuit of profit with the maintenance of human rights and justice.
“A more perfect union.” The union will never be perfect. The union is governed by imperfect humans for imperfect humans. Only way you could get “more perfect” is if you mixed and matched every demograhic until each number was equal 25% whites, 25%, blacks, 25% Asians, and 25% Hispanics. Obviously that will never happen.

It becomes whining when liberal ideals continue to be vague, ever-changing, impractical, and harmful. You advocate a $15 minimal wage, until that’s not enough, and a decade from now it must be $50 minimal wage. You understand how you’re just kicking the can down the road? The problem of poverty are self-sabotaging choices, not because McDonalds doesn’t want to pay you more to flip burgers.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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How did he singlehandedly make it worse? Or was he just a mirror for white America's dormant racism? It's almost as if some white people think they're "getting back" at blacks for the NERVE of Obama to be elected (twice!), even though he could not have gotten there without them.
Where in the hell do you come up with this nonsense?
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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Change comes from within and my black community will never change so long as we keep shooting each other, having kids out of wedlock, engaging in unhealthy lifestyles, and depending on politicians like Obama to "save us." No amount of blaming "outside forces" will fix self-inflicted issues either. Change must come from within and only from within. 8 years didn't change 1 single thing.
This ^^^

I think it is very enlightening to watch liberal blacks on liberal MSM and then on comservative blacks on conservative media. The difference is shocking.
Blacks on liberal media —CNN, MSNBC etc are mostly angry, often shouting and ranting, resentful, negative about America, race baiting, blaming whites or cops, while reciting black victimhood. They find racism around every corner.

Comservative Blacks on FOX or FOX Business are happy, positive, love our country and it’s opportunities, respect the police and our laws, are highly successful in life and business and Promote personal responsibility instead of blaming others.

A wise older black woman once told me, “ If I don’t go looking for racism, it doesn’t come looking for me.”
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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Where in the hell do you come up with this nonsense?
Are you going to explain how Obama made race relations worse, or no?
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There was plenty of polling evidence that there was perception of increased racial division after President Obama's two terms:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38536668


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years gave rise to a movement called Black Lives Matter.
Public opinion surveys highlight this racial restlessness. Not long after he took office in 2009, a New York Times/CBS News poll suggested two-thirds of Americans regarded race relations as generally good. In the midst of last summer's racial turbulence, that poll found there had been a complete reversal. Now 69% of Americans assessed race relations to be mostly bad.

The problem was that Obama used the tactic of false accusation of racism, which is predictably divisive. Even Hillary said so following the 2008 primaries.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Why? Well the the left is still whining about how unfair capitalism is, how they hate the free market
Have you actually heard people say they hate free markets?

I ask, because I never heard anyone say it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Have you actually heard people say they hate free markets?

I ask, because I never heard anyone say it.
Bernie and Alexandria. If you're a socialist, which they say they are, you don't like free markets by definition.
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