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Old 08-17-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I gave you a link that says $15 000 per employee is the expected health care cost for 2019.
It does not say who pays what. Like I said, US employers frequently don't pay the entire cost. They and the employee cost-share.

For example, there is no way employers are going to pay for a $15,000 insurance policy for a $30,000 salary ($15 minimum wage) employee.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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No, they don't. That's why health care coverage is listed out separately in the article.
LOL, its not, you've just misunderstood things yet again. But keep believing that payroll taxes are 8.5% of an employee's wage and private health care costs are 0% of that same wage. Its as daft as it gets.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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You'd have to ask her. I don't know her situation more than what was in the article. I'm trying not to judge others by the example you lead where you think that if someone eats too much "junk food" or looks the part of a stereotypical diabetic, then they do not serve healthcare.
I did not say that. I DO, however, believe they should pay for it themselves, or convince a charity or donor to pay for it, having self-inflicted themselves with diabetes.

Seems you need this reminder:

"One of the top risk factors for developing type 2 diabetes is being overweight."

Additionally... "Of all diagnosed cases, 5.8% were type 1 diabetes, and 90.9% were type 2 diabetes"

(Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6712a2.htm)

Anyone else see a HUGE problem, there?
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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It does not say who pays what. Like I said, US employers frequently don't pay the entire cost. They and the employee cost-share.

For example, there is no way employers are going to pay for a $15,000 insurance policy for a $30,000 salary ($15 minimum wage) employee.
Of course it does, its an average and its 70% employer and 30% employee cost share.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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LOL, its not, you've just misunderstood things yet again.
Oh, good grief. Do you really expect anyone to believe healthcare coverage isn't included in the cost calculation when it specifically says it is?

"UHY says that the average employer [worldwide] will have to pay out an extra USD 6,757 on top of a gross salary of USD 30,000 in various employment costs (22.5% of gross salary), from mandatory pension provisions to healthcare cover"
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Of course it does, its an average and its 70% employer and 30% employee cost share.
An employer is not going to pay $10,500/year for an insurance policy for a minimum wage worker.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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America is ranked 31 in life expectancy while my country (Portugal) is ranked 21. Portugal is far poorer than America, we owe our higher expectancy to our state run healthcare.

When I lived in America, I had insurance but it still was a nightmare. Several times I was told by the hospital the insurance covered it and I only had the copay only to get pushback from my insurance at a latter date.

But ok, if the Americans want an inferior system that costs them more in the end - let them die of their own stupidity. They can rattle their utterly puerile "slavery" nonsense while while we smirk and wince at the same time.
My local hospital offers:

Complimentary Valet Parking

All Private Rooms/ Baths with views

Complimentary WIFI

TVs everywhere

Ability to order in from local restaurants

Emotional Support Animal Visits

Pretty Gardens

The cost of all this stuff is baked into everything. Once home, you receive a survey that reads like you just returned from a vacation resort, including the “ How likely are you to recommend to a friend or family”.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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Oh, good grief. Do you really expect anyone to believe healthcare coverage isn't included in the cost calculation when it specifically says it is?

"UHY says that the average employer [worldwide] will have to pay out an extra USD 6,757 on top of a gross salary of USD 30,000 in various employment costs (22.5% of gross salary), from mandatory pension provisions to healthcare cover"
Anyone who can add and subtract understand this. Employer payroll taxes in America are roughly 8.5% of a typical wage. So those employer taxes are included in that table. Do you think health care is free in America? 0% of employee's wages goes to healthcare coverage?
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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An employer is not going to pay $10,500/year for an insurance policy for a minimum wage worker.
No one has said that. You're just rambling on.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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I did not say that. I DO, however, believe they should pay for it themselves, or convince a charity or donor to pay for it...
So while they are dealing with being diabetic as well as all the other aspects of their life, they should look around for a charity or donor? You're actually encouraging folks to ask for handouts from private citizens while at the same time saying they should not expect handouts from the government. It's the "I got mine, so you can go self-fornicate" argument.
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Seems you need this reminder:

"One of the top risk factors for developing type 2 diabetes is being overweight."

Additionally... "Of all diagnosed cases, 5.8% were type 1 diabetes, and 90.9% were type 2 diabetes"

(Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6712a2.htm)

Anyone else see a HUGE problem, there?
Arguing your point that diabetics deserve to die if they can't afford health care gives credence to that philosophy which I found absolutely repugnant. But you said one of the risk factors, etc. etc. What about the other risk factors? Do they deserve to die as well? I was never more than 20 pounds overweight and this was years before I was diagnosed. I played a lot of basketball with friends, rode my bike 10 miles a day, sometimes more, and walked a lot, too. I was in pretty good shape, all things being equal. Right up until the time Ibecame diabetic. Go figure.
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