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Muslims slaughter massive numbers of animals for this so-called "religious" holiday (a slaughter that is symbolic and nowhere commanded in the Quran). In many cities and villages, there is blood literally running in the streets. Further, they bring their children to taunt and slaughter the animals. Wish I were exaggerating, but unfortunately I am not. It is a violent and brutal holiday.
^^^^This thread is about MN, not MI Besides, it wasn't just Arabs who went to MI to work in the auto plants, people of many ethnicities and races went there for the same reason.
True. What percent of Christians die blowing themselves in Mosques screaming Allah Akbar? What percent of Christians create Islamic Republics with Sharia as law. What percent of Christians worldwide cut the clitoris off of little girls? Its a full 1/3rd of Muslims world wide that enjoy this practice. How many Mosques in the US will conduct a wedding between two people of the same sex? Zero but 1000s of Christian Churches will.
Some how Leftist have latched onto Islam needing protection from the evil Christians? Judging from the number of Islamic Republics, the number of Islamist Terrorist groups world wide, I would say it is the opposite.
Im an Atheist, and when I see Terrorists blowing themselves up screaming "Jesus Saves" as often as "Allah Akbar" I will hold Christians in the same light as Islamist
Valid made points here, I'm independent politically but you say a lot of what bothers me about how some members of the Left seem to want to look the other way when at least some branches of Islam and Muslim followers try to impose themselves in Western countries. The Left should supposedly be up in arms against Sharia law, honor killings and things like the burqa, openly oppressive to women and human rights and go heavily against the basic tenants of liberalism and what it's stood for. And I still feel like classic liberals who walk their walk, are consistent on this. But too many in the modern Left get hypocritically silent about Sharia and the burqa, indulging in cultural relativism and fawning over radical Islam in the West even when women and children are horribly oppressed, it's like for some on the Left, the immediate spoils of identity politics and "sticking it to the Western patriarchy" is more important than defending their own principles. Even it means making an alliance of convenience with the misogynism of radical Islam and oppression of both Muslim and non-Muslim women when Islam moves into the West. I saw women in burqas or at least heavy face veils all over in Michigan and parts of Minnesota when I was working briefly in the upper midwest. There was halal and Sharia law being used in some of those areas with big Muslim populations, and women forbidden to work or get an education in American neighborhoods just like in Saudi Arabia, yet too many on the Left, including feminists were silent despite the clear oppression.
What gets me most is obvious outrageous cases like the mass molestations and rapes across England of little girls in places like Rotherham, Oxford, Derby, now London and Manchester too by the fast growing Muslim immigrant populations there. And not just working-class schoolgirls that too many bourgeois feminists seem content to ignore, many middle-class and upper-class too. This is the most horrible anti-liberal practice you could imagine, and a lot of it comes from the misogynistic culture of some-- not all, but certainly a big percent of Muslim immigrants in those parts of England, so you'd think the feminists and the Left in general would be up in arms against the UK government for importing so many people from a hostile, misogynistic culture. But instead, the silence of the feminists and Left in general on this is hypocritical beyond belief. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...acist-now.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-report-finds
Newspapers on both the Left and Right admitted what happened, there was a PC culture in British government and political correctness in this case meant that police and authorities were encouraged to sweep the mass rapes of the English girls by the Muslim community under the rug. The same with the rapes of girls by some of the refugee communities, against usually Muslim, in US states like Minnesota or in Canada or Australia. And yet the feminist magazines, blogs and websites rarely even mention the suffering these girls had to endure. Like those articles said, the big Leftist feminist magazines like Ms., the blogs like feministing and Jezebel, the media prominent feminists like Jessica Valente, Minnie Driver, Natalie Portman, Barbara Kingsilver, Emily Linden-- they'll scream loud about metoo and micro-aggressions against rich women in the media, yet mass rapes of little girls by Muslims completely fail to get their attention. Instaed the feminists were whining about "Islamophobia" when popular anger came up after the news of the mass rapes, and the cover-ups by the British police for sake of PC became widely known.
It's like the Western feminists see women and even schoolgirls in those British cites, and a bunch of US, Canadian and Australian towns where this is happening as acceptable collateral damage, if it means joining support with an oppressive force, like radical Islam that's an enemy of the West. A lot of these 3rd wave feminists, they hate the West so much they're willing to offer up innocent women and girls as sacrifices to a true misogynistic religion and culture. with no appreciation of the relative freedom they enjoy thanks to Western culture. My sister used to be a feminist but left the community when those 100's of thousands of cases of young girls in England and the US being raped by Muslim immigrants came out, while feminists stayed silent. How are we supposed to take them seriously when they betray their own principles?
Great response. One need only look at Europe today and see the damage caused by the invasion from just a couple of years.
That's the reason Europe is kicking them all out, except for Britain at least. Merkel got so humiliated in the last election and no-government, now a guy named Seehoffer is the real power in Germany, he immediately cut off all welfare to the Syrians and Afghans and dumped thousands on deporting flights, the rest got the message and are leaving on their own. Salvini is kicking out all the invaders in Italy. The Dutch parties in fear of Wilders', have taken on his policies and making the Muslims leave. Macron saw writing on wall and is kicking out the Muslim imams and their families in France. Even the Swedes and Finns were forced to wake up and deport 200,000 Muslims, now Spain is waking up to reality as their dumb open borders president is clawed out of power while a real Spanish government kicks out the Muslims. Weird that Britain and Canada are going in the opposite direction with some towns now majority Muslim, and who knows about USA after Trump.
In other words, a supposed proclivity for sand had and has nothing to do with it.
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^^^^This thread is about MN, not MI Besides, it wasn't just Arabs who went to MI to work in the auto plants, people of many ethnicities and races went there for the same reason.
You're right about this thread not being about MI, my mistake. And yes, lots of people moved to MI to work in the auto factories. Including a lot of Arabs. And once they were there, that in itself becomes a reason for newer immigrants to move there. Just as my Swedish grandparents wound up in Iowa, and my German great-grandparents wound up in Missouri.
Valid made points here, I'm independent politically but you say a lot of what bothers me about how some members of the Left seem to want to look the other way when at least some branches of Islam and Muslim followers try to impose themselves in Western countries. The Left should supposedly be up in arms against Sharia law, honor killings and things like the burqa, openly oppressive to women and human rights and go heavily against the basic tenants of liberalism and what it's stood for. And I still feel like classic liberals who walk their walk, are consistent on this. But too many in the modern Left get hypocritically silent about Sharia and the burqa, indulging in cultural relativism and fawning over radical Islam in the West even when women and children are horribly oppressed, it's like for some on the Left, the immediate spoils of identity politics and "sticking it to the Western patriarchy" is more important than defending their own principles. Even it means making an alliance of convenience with the misogynism of radical Islam and oppression of both Muslim and non-Muslim women when Islam moves into the West. I saw women in burqas or at least heavy face veils all over in Michigan and parts of Minnesota when I was working briefly in the upper midwest. There was halal and Sharia law being used in some of those areas with big Muslim populations, and women forbidden to work or get an education in American neighborhoods just like in Saudi Arabia, yet too many on the Left, including feminists were silent despite the clear oppression.
What gets me most is obvious outrageous cases like the mass molestations and rapes across England of little girls in places like Rotherham, Oxford, Derby, now London and Manchester too by the fast growing Muslim immigrant populations there. And not just working-class schoolgirls that too many bourgeois feminists seem content to ignore, many middle-class and upper-class too. This is the most horrible anti-liberal practice you could imagine, and a lot of it comes from the misogynistic culture of some-- not all, but certainly a big percent of Muslim immigrants in those parts of England, so you'd think the feminists and the Left in general would be up in arms against the UK government for importing so many people from a hostile, misogynistic culture. But instead, the silence of the feminists and Left in general on this is hypocritical beyond belief. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...acist-now.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-report-finds
Newspapers on both the Left and Right admitted what happened, there was a PC culture in British government and political correctness in this case meant that police and authorities were encouraged to sweep the mass rapes of the English girls by the Muslim community under the rug. The same with the rapes of girls by some of the refugee communities, against usually Muslim, in US states like Minnesota or in Canada or Australia. And yet the feminist magazines, blogs and websites rarely even mention the suffering these girls had to endure. Like those articles said, the big Leftist feminist magazines like Ms., the blogs like feministing and Jezebel, the media prominent feminists like Jessica Valente, Minnie Driver, Natalie Portman, Barbara Kingsilver, Emily Linden-- they'll scream loud about metoo and micro-aggressions against rich women in the media, yet mass rapes of little girls by Muslims completely fail to get their attention. Instaed the feminists were whining about "Islamophobia" when popular anger came up after the news of the mass rapes, and the cover-ups by the British police for sake of PC became widely known.
It's like the Western feminists see women and even schoolgirls in those British cites, and a bunch of US, Canadian and Australian towns where this is happening as acceptable collateral damage, if it means joining support with an oppressive force, like radical Islam that's an enemy of the West. A lot of these 3rd wave feminists, they hate the West so much they're willing to offer up innocent women and girls as sacrifices to a true misogynistic religion and culture. with no appreciation of the relative freedom they enjoy thanks to Western culture. My sister used to be a feminist but left the community when those 100's of thousands of cases of young girls in England and the US being raped by Muslim immigrants came out, while feminists stayed silent. How are we supposed to take them seriously when they betray their own principles?
My comment is more of the hypocrisy of the Christians who defend abortion bombings and abortion doctor killings on the Christian side (which was as constant in the 1990's as actual "Islamic terror" has been in America during the post 9/11 era if you look at the numbers.) To me, it is the same and I grew up Catholic but am a non-practicing one. It is intellectually dishonest to whitewash what atrocities Christians do in the name of God, just as Islamic terrorists do for Allah "screaming 'Allah Akbar!'" (Taken from the quoted post.)
Thats what happens when your Ideology is held accountable. If only a small percentage of muslims world wide employed Female genital mutilation it may be ignorable(its a full 1/3). If only 10% of Terrorist groups in the world were Muslim instead of 90% it would be ignorable. But the fact remains that most every suicide bomber there is screams "Allah Akbar" not "Hari Krishna", not " Satan's cool", and not "Jesus Saves". So what can I deduce from all of this? Its Donald Trumps fault
People who follow a religion don't like to be held responsible for what "a minority" in their midst do, who are motivated by this ideology.
Do we have that double standard for Nazis? After all, only a minority of Nazis actually did the killings. What about when we criticize "Republicans" or "Democrats" for the actions of members of their party? Do we not agree that political parties have platforms (JUST LIKE RELIGIONS DO!!!) and that if you buy into a platform, you sort of buy what happens when your platform is adopted in a society?
I think more and more people have to start coming out and admitting that they think Islam is ****. Don't be afraid anymore. There are millions of us who think the same way, and they only have power over us because we fear THEIR VIOLENCE when we criticize their **** religion.
My comment is more of the hypocrisy of the Christians who defend abortion bombings and abortion doctor killings on the Christian side (which was as constant in the 1990's as actual "Islamic terror" has been in America during the post 9/11 era if you look at the numbers.) To me, it is the same and I grew up Catholic but am a non-practicing one. It is intellectually dishonest to whitewash what atrocities Christians do in the name of God, just as Islamic terrorists do for Allah "screaming 'Allah Akbar!'" (Taken from the quoted post.)
Nobody defends abortion doctor killings (which by the way, are outnumbered 1:100000000 jihadi attacks in the past century alone.
Nobody makes excuses (or pulls punches) for Catholic priests.
If you want to start separate threads deriding Christians, abortion doctor killers, etc., then go for it. This is America and you are free to do so.
But be careful of the vipers your "standing up to hypocricy" for. There is zero added-value to Islam being present in a society. Absolutely zero. The revealed religion of a pedophile warlord brings no new moral insight into a society. Especially when said religion is such a blatant rip-off of about half a dozen other pre-existing middle eastern fairy tales that pre-date it by hundreds-thousands-of years.
Stop shilling for the feelings of people whose holy book would sit comfortably on the same shelf as Mein Kampf. Enough with you regressive leftists.
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Besides, it wasn't just Arabs who went to MI to work in the auto plants, people of many ethnicities and races went there for the same reason.
