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Old 08-21-2018, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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USA is a large country so depending on where you live cost of living differes significantly. Average salary showing higher in the US is due to the top earners/CEO’s causing that. Get rid of them and you’ll see lower. Also keep in mind that many things we pay in America is free in Germany. Food is definitely cheaper in Germany. Germany’s most expensive city is significantly cheaper than the big cities in America.
1. I didn't say average..I said median....

2. I lived in Pirmasens Germany (about 12clicks from Trier, France) for nearly 15 years, and while Germany is a fine, beautiful country, I think you are looking at a warped picture in comparisons


3. the median household income is half of the USA in Germany, and while yes much of the cost of living (food) can be less (utilities, and fuel (car and home oil) is much higher), the disposable income of Germans is much less than that of Americans


4. rent can be cheap, but you are also looking at more austere dwellings for that cheapness..anything at the American standards is much more expensive, still quite reasonable but not as cheap as you are trying to imply

5. real-estate for purchase is a lot higher than you would think.. the median home cost is around 250,000- 300,000 (about 300k- 345,000 USdollars) euro's, while the median house in America is around 200k

6. Germany is currently rethinking the more paid time off experiment as it is not working as well as they thought


I think its great to praise a country, but not so great to praise a country, while putting your own country down...JMOHO

 
Old 08-22-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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1. I didn't say average..I said median....

2. I lived in Pirmasens Germany (about 12clicks from Trier, France) for nearly 15 years, and while Germany is a fine, beautiful country, I think you are looking at a warped picture in comparisons


3. the median household income is half of the USA in Germany, and while yes much of the cost of living (food) can be less (utilities, and fuel (car and home oil) is much higher), the disposable income of Germans is much less than that of Americans


4. rent can be cheap, but you are also looking at more austere dwellings for that cheapness..anything at the American standards is much more expensive, still quite reasonable but not as cheap as you are trying to imply

5. real-estate for purchase is a lot higher than you would think.. the median home cost is around 250,000- 300,000 (about 300k- 345,000 USdollars) euro's, while the median house in America is around 200k

6. Germany is currently rethinking the more paid time off experiment as it is not working as well as they thought


I think its great to praise a country, but not so great to praise a country, while putting your own country down...JMOHO

3. There is absolutely no point in just comparing "disposable income" since childcare, college, HC, retirement are huge extra items here.



4. Cheap dwellings? Well at least they don't use sticks and cardboard in house construction over there.



5. In any major metro area in US, median house is much more than 200k in a good school district. In Europe schools are not locally funded.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 06:12 AM
 
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What's funny is that "disposable income" means income BEFORE property taxes are paid.

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German property taxes are relatively low. The average tax for a private household is only €200, while in the US it is not uncommon for property tax to exceed $10,000.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/fina...-regime-909559

Its also deeply deceptive to ignore median hourly wage, and instead focus on "average household income", which doesnt take into account number of people in the household or the number of hours worked.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Taxes ... Americans do not want to pay them. German government takes care of its citizens. America will have none of that as it cost money.
Many of us take care of ourselves. We don't need nor want an overbearing, controlling government, and NANNY STATE. Government is inefficient, often not benevolent, and greedy. Germany, and other socialist states will collapse under their own weight, and the refugees aren't helping. NO THANKS.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 06:21 AM
 
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Many of us take care of ourselves. We don't need nor want an overbearing, controlling government, and NANNY STATE. Government is inefficient, often not benevolent, and greedy. Germany, and other socialist states will collapse under their own weight, and the refugees aren't helping. NO THANKS.
The German national health care system was established in the 1880s. This idea that the system will collapse any moment now is just nonsense. Its been around for over 130 years. You are confusing your wishes and hopes with the reality.

You claim that you take care of yourself, but unless you have a locked account with several millions in it, you are just riding your luck and hope you wont be dependent on the public safety net.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Even the Trump administration wants to make the US more like Germany.

Trump's point man on trade: 'We envision a more Germany-style economy'
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The administration of President Donald Trump wants manufacturing jobs to make up about a fifth of the American workforce, said Peter Navarro, tapped by Trump to lead the newly created National Trade Council.

Navarro told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday that part of his job at the National Trade Council is matching the needs of industry with the skills of U.S. workers.

"We envision a more Germany-style economy, where 20 percent of our workforce is in manufacturing," he said. "And we're not talking about banging tin in the back room."
Of course that's never going to happen.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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The German national health care system was established in the 1880s. This idea that the system will collapse any moment now is just nonsense. Its been around for over 130 years. You are confusing your wishes and hopes with the reality.

You claim that you take care of yourself, but unless you have a locked account with several millions in it, you are just riding your luck and hope you wont be dependent on the public safety net.
Indeed true. Established by Otto von Bismarck- a man nobody would confuse for left wing.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Indeed true. Established by Otto von Bismarck- a man nobody would confuse for left wing.
Universal healthcare is perfectly compatible with right wing values throw the underclass a bone and they won't turn to radical leftist solutions. Its a brilliant way to keep the established order in power which was Otto Von Bismarcks intention.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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Universal healthcare is perfectly compatible with right wing values throw the underclass a bone and they won't turn to radical leftist solutions. Its a brilliant way to keep the established order in power which was Otto Von Bismarcks intention.
Genau (German for Exactly).
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Destatis, the country's main statistics office, released data on Friday showing that the country had notched up yet another six-month record budget surplus in the first half of 2018, taking in €48.1 billion ($55.6 billion) more than it spent from January to June when federal, state and local accounts were added together.


https://www.dw.com/en/german-coffers...lus/a-45207741
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