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Old 08-21-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.

The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.

Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.

And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".

Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.

But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.

It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.

If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.

And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.

And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
Trump admitted firing Comey because of the Russia investigation...right before my eyes and ears. One sentence. Yeah. They d trip him up . He can't get 6 words out without lying. Reams of questions ? Lol!!
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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Does that include Tweetstorms badmouthing the investigation and the Special Prosecutor?
Of course.

First thing I'd do as Trump's counsel would be to advise him to put Twitter down, and also that he should never say anything other than "no comment" in any communication medium where this investigation is concerned, not even the most flimsily tangential way.

Absolutely.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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Of course.

First thing I'd do as Trump's counsel would be to advise him to put Twitter down, and also that he should never say anything other than "no comment" in any communication medium where this investigation is concerned, not even the most flimsily tangential way.

Absolutely.
Good advice.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: North America
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This is a marvelous example of a perjury trap in action. The questions are of the same gentle, softball kind that Mueller would like to ask Mr. Trump.

HINT: Trouble was avoided by the subject of the inquiry by telling the truth. Great plan if you happen to find yourself in this situation, right...?

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...moments-215066
You can't "trap" someone into perjuring themselves. The best way to avoid perjury is to tell the truth.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Of course.

First thing I'd do as Trump's counsel would be to advise him to put Twitter down, and also that he should never say anything other than "no comment" in any communication medium where this investigation is concerned, not even the most flimsily tangential way.

Absolutely.
What a shame no competent counsel will work with him, huh...?
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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Of course.

First thing I'd do as Trump's counsel would be to advise him to put Twitter down, and also that he should never say anything other than "no comment" in any communication medium where this investigation is concerned, not even the most flimsily tangential way.

Absolutely.
Or at least help him learn to spell "counsel."

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/sta...99906585161728
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trump's problem is not a "trap." It is the fact that he has already lied about many things that have been proven to be lies. So he can either repeat the first lie and commit perjury, or he can tell the truth, proving that he has been lying all along.

Donny Jr. and the Russian Trump Tower meeting is but one example. Giuliani even tried to say as recently as yesterday that nobody new the woman they were meeting with was even Russian, no less an agent of the government. But all you have to do is go back and read the emails and we know that was one big lie.
Giuliani lost any credibility he had after becoming Trump's pet.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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tell that to Martha Stewart
She lied.
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Didn't even read the posts in the thread before spewing standard, long-debunked talking points, did we?

The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.

The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.

Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.

And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".

Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.

But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.

It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.

If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.

And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.

And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
Perjury traps are for liars.

I’m only saying exactly what you’d be saying if Obama was in this pickle.

But he isn’t. Trump is, so now you guys are coming up lame.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Since Trump is a pathological liar, putting him in any scenario where he legally is required to tell the truth is a perjury trap. Which is pretty much the whole point of testifying under oath - to trap liars.
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