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Old 08-22-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
So in your world, what's the difference between an unpaid parking ticket and going on a murder spree, if both deserve punishments that resemble the Chateau d'If?

In a world like that, if you commit a small infraction that you think you might get caught for, you may as well go ahead and do whatever else you want while you're at it.
If you want to be stupid, you get to pay for it one way or the other. Don’t be stupid and don’t go to jail. Simple.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Damn near impossible to get sentenced to prison, without multiple arrests and convictions-or a particularly vile crime. Even then it's rare enough-and far too often scumbags are released on parole after minimal sentences.
Oh really? Then explain how we have the highest incarceration rate in the world http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest...xonomy_tid=All
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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No they don't.
They sure do, especially in County jails where prices are set by the jail itself. Many jails contract with companies that charge 3 or 4 times the retail price of personal and food products and the profit is split between the vendor and the jail. Some prisons regulate the prices that vendors can charge, it depends upon state laws. Don't believe me? Here's an article with actual examples

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/21/16767...s-big-business
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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My thinking off the top of my head is that - they are prisoners... what leverage do they have to strike? They should be doing public service jobs that no one else will do and pay their debt to society.

However - doing a quick read of the website, they make this claim...
They also profit from our labor. At least half of the nation's 1.5 million of us imprisoned in the United States have jobs yet are paid pennies an hour, or even nothing at all. Many of us perform the essential work needed to run the prisons themselves - mopping cellblock floors, preparing and serving food, filing papers and other prison duties. Others of us work in "correction industries" programs performing work in areas such as clothing and textile, computer aided design, electronics, and recycling activities. Some of us even sub-contract with private corporations such as Sprint, Starbucks, Victoria's Secret, and many more.

As incarcerated workers, we are some of the most exploited workers in the country. There is no minimum wage for prison labor. The average wage is 20 cents an hour, with some states not paying a wage at all. Up to 80% of wages can be withheld by prison officials.
If this is true, they have a valid point. This goes beyond city clean up projects. Real people are profiting from their cheap labor.
It is true. At one of my previous jobs, we contracted with the local state prison for screen printing of event T-shirts. Prison labor saved us $4 a T-shirt.

One could say the print shop at the prison was providing job training for prisoners to use after their release. One could say the inmates were being exploited for cheap labor to maximize profits for the organization contracting for that labor. I had mixed feelings about using prison labor, but ultimately did not have the last word.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: London
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If you want to be stupid, you get to pay for it one way or the other. Don’t be stupid and don’t go to jail. Simple.
By your definition, everyone is being stupid, since there are so many laws on the books, people unknowingly commit crimes all the time.
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I support this idea, but sadly too many bleeding hearts would fight tooth and nail for their right to go violate laws and harm innocent people for their own satisfaction and enjoyment.
Most people in prison are nonviolent and shouldn't be locked up.
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: London
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I wonder if the rich guys on Wall Street who actually invest in marijuana should be given the same treatment as those who simply use it.
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Strike? What are they going to do? Not work out at the gym? Not watch cable TV or surf the web?

You pay for your thrills.
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:42 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Too many people in jail time to ask ourselves questions
Like why so many
Why no remorse
Why no rehab
For many the only jobs available are selling drugs
Housing after prison number one concern
When you rent to a felon one thing for sure he is not the only felon that will be coming to your house
And his friends may not all be nice guys
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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How Prison Labor is the New American Slavery and Most of Us Unknowingly Support it

American slavery was technically abolished in 1865, but a loophole in the 13th Amendment has allowed it to continue “as a punishment for crimes” well into the 21st century. Not surprisingly, corporations have lobbied for a broader and broader definition of “crime” in the last 150 years. As a result, there are more (mostly dark-skinned) people performing mandatory, essentially unpaid, hard labor in America today than there were in 1830.

https://returntonow.net/2016/06/13/p...rican-slavery/
This should be looked into and regulated down to the penny.
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