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Old 08-26-2018, 04:16 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
The farmer first lied about using E-Verify. Then the farmer changed his story by saying he didn't use E-Verify but refused to give the supposed fake name Rivera gave him. Everyone in the area knew Rivera by his real name as well.

Can't fix the problem unless the real cause is identified and I suspect the real cause of illegal immigration is employers willfully employing them to exploit for cheap labor.
The problem with e-verify, and for that matter employer controls, is that we still have to have the stomach to deport those that don't "check out." Easier said than done, particularly if they have child offspring born in the U.S.
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Old 08-26-2018, 04:24 AM
 
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OK. Just open the borders and they will all be legal. Or legalize the millions that are here. Legal or not is a technicality. We need millions of people who are willing to work at demanding jobs for low pay. Some of them are going to be "bad hombres". A process to admit farm labor legally will change nothing but slow things down and leave food rotting in the fields. Get the government out of it. Let the markets work.

"Legal or not is a technicality"


I can see it now, you go before a judge for murdering someone and the the judge asks you how you pleas, and your reply is, "not guilty, murder laws are just a "technicality"!
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Old 08-26-2018, 04:35 AM
 
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Nope. Your post indicates you do not understand what "crime" is...

crime - Legal Definition. n. An act or omission that violates the law and is punishable by a sentence of incarceration. See also felony, misdemeanor, offense, and violation. anticipatory crime.

And your cite immediately points out overstaying is not criminal. Do you read what you cite?

And your post indicates YOU do NOT know what technicality is.


Tecicality definition.
A technicality is a trivial or very small detail. You might consider your scuffed, unpolished shoes to be an unimportant technicality when you're dressing for a job interview.
You can use the noun technicality for any small point or detail, but it's most likely to come up in the context of a court trial or a conversation with an attorney. A legal technicality is a small but ultimately important detail of the law. For example, a robbery suspect might have his trial dismissed on a legal technicality if the arresting police officer neglected to show him a search warrant before searching his house.




Definitions of technicality
1
n a detail that is considered insignificant

"And your cite immediately points out overstaying is not criminal. Do you read what you cite?"


Did YOU? What do you think a "ten er penalty" is?

"
However, if you overstayed your nonimmigrant visa and had "unlawful presence" in the United States for a period of one (1) year or more after your 18th birthday, then you may have received a ten (10) year penalty under INA section 212(a)(9)(B)."
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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The family is pretty disgusted that some are using her death for political reasons. This should stop, now.

From the link:

“Please remember, Evil comes in EVERY color,”



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b072951512ddf0
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The family is pretty disgusted that some are using her death for political reasons. This should stop, now.

From the link:

“Please remember, Evil comes in EVERY color,â€

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b072951512ddf0
They may be perfectly fine with the fact that an illegal alien killed their daughter, but many people don't feel that same way about their family members and loved ones. They actually would be angered than an illegal alien killed them.
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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What's amazing (but not surprising) is that the Leftist media is totally ignoring this story, probably because it supports President Trump's contention that many of these "DREAMers" are "rapists and murderers." In their country, this is standard behavior for young "macho men."

Elizabeth Warren said, "we must focus on 'real' problems." This isn't a "real problem," I guess. But she's not alone. Many other Democrats have expressed a similar view of this crime. One liberal pundit on MSNBC said Mollie was just "some girl in Iowa."



Any objective data to support such an incendiary statement ? I guess not but let's keep spinning this one of Trump's many, many lies.



Take a look:



Immigration and Crime - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Criminology


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is...or-less-crime/


it is easy enough to find data that proves the opposite.



She was another murder. How is her death any different than 10s of thousands of innocent people killed by gun violence ? Where is the sympathy or outrage for any of them ? Guess that does villianize those hated immigrants.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Any objective data to support such an incendiary statement ? I guess not but let's keep spinning this one of Trump's many, many lies.



Take a look:



Immigration and Crime - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Criminology


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is...or-less-crime/


it is easy enough to find data that proves the opposite.



She was another murder. How is her death any different than 10s of thousands of innocent people killed by gun violence ? Where is the sympathy or outrage for any of them ? Guess that does villianize those hated immigrants.

Illegal aliens aren't "immigrants", duh. Why blur those lines? As for their crimes stats.....


https://www.dps.texas.gov/administra...Statistics.htm


https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3099992
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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What's amazing (but not surprising) is that the Leftist media is totally ignoring this story, probably because it supports President Trump's contention that many of these "DREAMers" are "rapists and murderers." In their country, this is standard behavior for young "macho men."

Elizabeth Warren said, "we must focus on 'real' problems." This isn't a "real problem," I guess. But she's not alone. Many other Democrats have expressed a similar view of this crime. One liberal pundit on MSNBC said Mollie was just "some girl in Iowa."
And the RWNJ media is going to ride this dead girl's body as LONG as they can, despite the wishes of the family.

Murders happen every day. Why doesn't Fox focus on the very real problem of domestic abuse? Like where the father murdered his wife and two girls.

Oh, I know. He was white and that doesn't further their "we hate brown people' agenda.

People see right through that crap - except the dumbest of Trump supporters.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What's amazing (but not surprising) is that the Leftist media is totally ignoring this story, probably because it supports President Trump's contention that many of these "DREAMers" are "rapists and murderers." In their country, this is standard behavior for young "macho men."

Elizabeth Warren said, "we must focus on 'real' problems." This isn't a "real problem," I guess. But she's not alone. Many other Democrats have expressed a similar view of this crime. One liberal pundit on MSNBC said Mollie was just "some girl in Iowa."
This one incident doesn't make your case for most being "rapists or murderers". We have larger problems with around 20,000 murders per year but this is an opportunity to promote fear of all immigrants. Besides there is not one policy change that will prevent a crime like this.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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Because even the illegals can see through how phony the conservatives are.

Speaking of illegals, wheres the 100 page thread coming up with ideas on how to penalize employers that hire illegals? Should I not hold my breath?

All ive learned here is that you only cant fix murder if the murderer is white. No concern for fixing crazy, let the crazies kill all they want, cant do nuthin about that.
Apparently murder and crime will go away when all the illegals are deported.

No, illegals and their supporters don't like the GOP because they aren't amnesty advocates. It's pure selfishness on their part and they don't give a damn how illegal immigration impacts the rest of us. Nothing phony about the facts or our laws. It's all about them and their ethnic group or bleeding heart liberals without a brain in their head.


Have you not read the numerous comments in here by conservatives who want the employers punished? Selective reading perhaps? Interesting though that the left only wants them punished but not the illegals themselves. I hold both accountable, they are both guilty of breaking the law and they both need to be punished.
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