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Old 08-21-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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http://thehill.com/policy/finance/40...hursday-report


Awesome. If he is approving of it means must have gotten what we wanted. Now its Canada's turn. I am optimistic about what has changed.

 
Old 08-21-2018, 10:22 PM
 
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By that logic, if Mexico is approving of it means they must have gotten what they wanted.
Note, it'a a one handed "handshake deal" where Mexico is not present at the announcement.
Maybe it will be as fantastic as the North Korean handshake deal.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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By that logic, if Mexico is approving of it means they must have gotten what they wanted.
Note, it'a a one handed "handshake deal" where Mexico is not present at the announcement.
Maybe it will be as fantastic as the North Korean handshake deal.

Since Mexico was never in a position to make demands, your conclusion that they must have gotten what they wanted lacks a foundation.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 06:33 AM
 
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http://thehill.com/policy/finance/40...hursday-report


Awesome. If he is approving of it means must have gotten what we wanted. Now its Canada's turn. I am optimistic about what has changed.
I like how you assume it is an improvement - -you have no clue but will blindly cheer on.

I think if Mexico is approving it is the same deal they presented with Canada in May.

We both don't have a clue and are free to feel emotionally as we choose about the deal -- lol.

Don't be so sure Mexico didn't have some bargaining power.

First, Senate Republicans are pressuring Trump to have a deal by Labor Day. They don't want trade talks to be unresolved going into midterms. Selling the resolution of a deal is something they need.
Two, Trump knows it is easier to deal with Mexico and thinks that if a deal is done with Mexico then that will pressure Canada. But Canada isn't even blinking or budging on its position.

Trump NEEDS this Mexico deal.

When you NEED something -- you lose bargaining power.

So don't be so sure Mexico isn't getting what it needs.
That doesn't mean the USA isn't getting what it needs.
But for now - none of us know. And all we have is the word of this administration -- and well, we all know how much that is worth.

NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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Old 08-22-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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"The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said that as of Tuesday night, no deal had been reached."

"It will likely be a U.S.-only announcement rather than one made alongside Mexican officials,"

Canada won't be there either.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-mexico-746332

So as of last night, no deal has been reached with either Mexico or Canada and no officials from either of these two nations will be at Trump's triumphant announcement.

So who the hell is he going to shake hands with on this "handshake deal?"
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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"The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said that as of Tuesday night, no deal had been reached."

"It will likely be a U.S.-only announcement rather than one made alongside Mexican officials,"
Yes. Its Trumps right hand shaking his own left hand.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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So who the hell is he going to shake hands with on this handshake deal?
Trump will probably shake hands with himself.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes. Its Trumps right hand shaking his own left hand.
I plan to announce my marriage to Brad Pitt tomorrow.

Alas, Brad won't be there.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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I know this is just a handshake deal - not a real deal...but there are suggestions that this administration does not have the authority to enter into a bilateral deal with Mexico.

They have the authority to enter into a trilateral with Canada & Mexico.

Not sure that matters or not. All this legal stuff is for others....
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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We must recall that the Obama administration had essentially re-negotiated NAFTA, with the terms included in the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rtnership.html


In the following report of an interview, Obama (October 2016) explained how NAFTA was strengthened:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2.../#641edb4012eb


"NAFTA failed to require a minimum wage, ban workplace discrimination, protect the right to form a union and bargain collectively, or prohibit child and forced labor. TPP includes every single one of these standards, along with enforceable trade sanctions for any country that violates them.


NAFTA failed to combat illegal wildlife trafficking, protect against overfishing, or combat illegal logging. TPP includes all of these protections, once again coupled with tough sanctions for violators.


NAFTA failed to protect a free and open Internet, protect consumers from fraud and deception, or simplify export rules for small businesses. Yes, TPP does all of this, including the first-ever requirements for digital and small businesses to ensure that our trade rules reflect what the 21st century economy demands."


Yet, President Trump tossed out the TPP, as well as these renegotiated NAFTA terms with Mexico and Canada. Hence, whenever a new agreement is made with Mexico and Canada, it may be well to compare the new terms with what Obama had demanded.
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