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Old 08-22-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I found this on a friend's page this morning. I am reproducing it with permission of the author. I think her commentary is insightful.

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Major investigations that touch the president directly are always dangerous. Trump accentuates those dangers. The general danger is of presidential distraction. The burden of running the country is real—or at least it should be to a president who takes the job seriously. Being under federal investigation would distract almost anyone. And whether or not one likes Donald Trump should not obscure the reality that interfering with a president’s ability to govern and represent the United States globally—by compromising a president’s legitimacy and by distracting him from governance—is dangerous at the best of times with the most focused of presidents.

Trump is not the most focused of presidents. He is also mercurial and angry. With Trump there is the additional risk of his lashing out, taking vindictive action or engaging in irrational behavior—things he does in spades on a daily basis. This sort of behavior is inimical to cohesive national security policy, which requires presidential leadership and direction. The myriad bureaucracies involved with defense, intelligence, foreign affairs, economic security, law enforcement and homeland security all have different institutional needs, interests and missions. Absent policy direction and leadership from the White House, the national security apparatus does not work optimally on autopilot.

This does not mean that the office of the presidency should be above investigation, or that the risks of these particular investigations are too great to justify them. To the contrary, prosecutors have shown evidence of serious criminal conduct on the part of Trump’s inner circle, and unveiling Russia’s role in election interference is a matter of great importance for American democracy. The consequences of investigating a president may be great, but the consequences of not investigating such matters are far greater.

Most fundamentally, the burden lies with the president himself not to behave in fashions that necessitate such investigations—and, when they are necessary, to handle them in a manner that minimizes the dangers. Perhaps the greatest danger at this moment is that one can have no confidence that Trump understands this.

As the cloud over the president darkens, we are entering a dangerous period.

- Magdalena Abdon, August 22, 2018
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Larry I don't know if you were alive at the time but this reminds me of the Nixon presidency.
Nothing good came out of all that drama.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:49 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Larry I don't know if you were alive at the time but this reminds me of the Nixon presidency.
Nothing good came out of all that drama.
We got rid of Nixon. However, he wasn't as dangerous as Trump. Nixon knew history and believed in and cared about America. Trump cares about money and fame and only pretends to care about America.

I would think that there are others minding the store so that if Trump becomes too distracted, it won't create a disaster.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Most Americans are solidly behind the President and more supporters are added every day. Thanks in no small part to the antics of the unhinged left.

There IS no cloud over the President....but there are many clouded minds among those who were soundly defeated in 2016. They ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep America great!!
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Western MN
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Most Americans are solidly behind the President and more supporters are added every day. Thanks in no small part to the antics of the unhinged left.

There IS no cloud over the President....but there are many clouded minds among those who were soundly defeated in 2016. They ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep America great!!
That’s because the cloud is in his head.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:13 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Most Americans are solidly behind the President and more supporters are added every day. Thanks in no small part to the antics of the unhinged left.

There IS no cloud over the President....but there are many clouded minds among those who were soundly defeated in 2016. They ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep America great!!

"Most" weren't behind him in 2016, whatta ya got proving they're behind him now?
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Most Americans are solidly behind the President and more supporters are added every day. Thanks in no small part to the antics of the unhinged left.

There IS no cloud over the President....but there are many clouded minds among those who were soundly defeated in 2016. They ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep America great!!
Got any numbers ro back up this claim of yours? I might believe you if you'd said that he's adding supporters from people in the Republican party. We've known that for months but that's not really an issue. Those types will support him no matter what. They're too far gone to even try to reason with so they've been written off already.

But to say he's adding supporters from the population in general and that most people are solidly behind him is a bit much to believe. I'm just not seeing it. With the way the recent elections have been playing out I just don't see how you can make that case. We'll see how it goes in November I guess.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Most Americans are solidly behind the President and more supporters are added every day. Thanks in no small part to the antics of the unhinged left.

There IS no cloud over the President....but there are many clouded minds among those who were soundly defeated in 2016. They ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep America great!!
Today's ratings:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

The highest poll has him at 48%. Rasmussen has him at 46%. Others are lower.

Parties with presidents rated below 50% do poorly during the mid terms.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Today's ratings:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

The highest poll has him at 48%. Rasmussen has him at 46%. Others are lower.

Parties with presidents rated below 50% do poorly during the mid terms.
Pols are also lagging indicators which means the fallout from this weeks bombshells probably wont be fully represented for another couple weeks.
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Old 08-22-2018, 04:01 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Originally Posted by in_newengland View Post
Today's ratings:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

The highest poll has him at 48%. Rasmussen has him at 46%. Others are lower.

Parties with presidents rated below 50% do poorly during the mid terms.
The polls are garbage....as shown in the 2016 election. Who did they say was going to win? Americans love Trump....and we're getting so much help from the left fringe that any concern even about the mid-terms is fading fast. 2020 will be a landslide.
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