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Old 08-23-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Can someone explain something about these "illegal campaign contributions"...
Sure. Just go back to 2008 or 2012 and read of some of the "illegal campaign activities" of the Obama crowd--the ones that were never really pursued after discovered. Or, go back to nearly any campaign of the past 100 years or so on both sides of the isle. Same stuff. It's just that we are now grasping at straws and engaging in a witch hunt. Before, nobody gave a damn.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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It's to do with intent.

Obama administration fines were related to clerical errors such as late payments / typos etc.

Trumps was a deliberate intent to cover up and deceive the American public - that's what makes it criminal intent.
Actually the Obama fines were due to missing reporting requirements and oversize contributions, but it was Obama For President, the organization that is responsible, and paid the fines.


Trump's election organization is currently under investigation for the same thing, but it's not relevant here as honestly they're small potatoes, and clerical issues by an organization.




The payment that Cohen has plead guilty on, and implicated "the candidate" was not reported as an individual contribution, and depending on what story is the current one it is also potentially illegal in size, but the intent was not an oversight due to volume, but intended to deceive.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Sure. Just go back to 2008 or 2012 and read of some of the "illegal campaign activities" of the Obama crowd--the ones that were never really pursued after discovered. Or, go back to nearly any campaign of the past 100 years or so on both sides of the isle. Same stuff. It's just that we are now grasping at straws and engaging in a witch hunt. Before, nobody gave a damn.
This isn't the same at all.

The other violations involved reporting -- not getting information in on time, not filling in the right forms.

This -- as admitted to by Cohen and Pecker -- was a conscientious, plan to purposely not records this money.

They intended to hide it -- there was criminal intent.

The other instances where candidates from all parties have been given fines -- it is all about careless recording.

It doesn't matter if you folks don't see the difference though -- lol.

Or you refuse to see the difference.

Cohen did and did plea bargain his sentence down knowing he would be found guilty of a criminal offense.
If Cohen and Pecker thought the accusations against them were frivolous they would not have made a deal.

It is what it is --
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:19 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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It's to do with intent.

Obama administration fines were related to clerical errors such as late payments / typos etc.

Trumps was a deliberate intent to cover up and deceive the American public - that's what makes it criminal intent.
As far as US law is concerned, that doesn't matter. You can't go out and kill someone and say it was a clerical error or that you didn't know it was illegal. Doesn't matter.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:20 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Sure. Just go back to 2008 or 2012 and read of some of the "illegal campaign activities" of the Obama crowd--the ones that were never really pursued after discovered. Or, go back to nearly any campaign of the past 100 years or so on both sides of the isle. Same stuff. It's just that we are now grasping at straws and engaging in a witch hunt. Before, nobody gave a damn.
Awesome post, you absolutely didn't explain anything.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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As far as US law is concerned, that doesn't matter. You can't go out and kill someone and say it was a clerical error or that you didn't know it was illegal. Doesn't matter.
It does matter.

The FEC reviews the violations and determine the seriousness of the crime, the intent, etc.

It doesn't matter you don't think it should work that way - that's how it works.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:22 PM
 
Location: AZ
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As far as US law is concerned, that doesn't matter. You can't go out and kill someone and say it was a clerical error or that you didn't know it was illegal. Doesn't matter.
BS.

Intent is absolutely relevant.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:22 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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This isn't the same at all.

The other violations involved reporting -- not getting information in on time, not filling in the right forms.

This -- as admitted to by Cohen and Pecker -- was a conscientious, plan to purposely not records this money.

They intended to hide it -- there was criminal intent.

The other instances where candidates from all parties have been given fines -- it is all about careless recording.

It doesn't matter if you folks don't see the difference though -- lol.

Or you refuse to see the difference.

Cohen did and did plea bargain his sentence down knowing he would be found guilty of a criminal offense.
If Cohen and Pecker thought the accusations against them were frivolous they would not have made a deal.

It is what it is --
Yeah, it is what it is. And it was what it was. You won't find a presidential campaign on either side that HASN'T been crooked going back to nearly the beginning of the nation. The difference is that now, suddenly, you care. Mainly because you didn't get your way in the last election. And that hurts the generation that has always been given a trophy just for participating.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Awesome post, you absolutely didn't explain anything.
Sure I did. I explained hypocrisy very clearly.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:25 PM
 
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I get it -- many of you are loyal to Trump.

The reality Cohen and Pecker have said they are guilty. Doesn't matter if you don't think they should be - -they said they were -- lol.

As for Manafort, that juror who is a big Trump fan, says that it was overwhelmingly obvious Manafort was guilty.

I thought we believed f someone did a crime -- they needed to suffer the consequences.

Just because this may have implications for Trump you all are suddenly excusing, rationalizing, trying to fix it, spin it....

Cohen and Pecker -- nothing more to say -- they said they did it.

And as explained on endless media outlets and here.......it is more than just Cohen's words that make Cohen guilty -- lol...but that should be enough. Someone confesses to a crime -- hmmmm.

I have no doubt Trump had no idea that him knowing about these payments and how they were handled was unlawful. There is no doubt in my mind he has no clue to the full extent of what his actions mean...just like he was first ready to dismiss the whole notion foreign govt. trying to tamper with the USA election.

Trump has no sense of law, justice, etc. He just wants to do what he wants to do....and try to convince everyone he's the best. I bet the be best motto came from Trump every morning. I BE BEST.
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