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Old 08-23-2018, 03:26 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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BS.

Intent is absolutely relevant.
Good luck with that. Run a few stop signs and then tell the friendly officer that you didn't intend to run them.

How would he truly know whether you were telling the truth? But... it wouldn't matter, would it. You'd still get that ticket just the same. Ignorance is not an excuse to break the law. Ask the IRS. Tell them you didn't intend to evade your taxes and you didn't know the rules.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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Yeah, it is what it is. And it was what it was. You won't find a presidential campaign on either side that HASN'T been crooked going back to nearly the beginning of the nation. The difference is that now, suddenly, you care. Mainly because you didn't get your way in the last election. And that hurts the generation that has always been given a trophy just for participating.
Again -- FEC made up of both parties and they review all the violations. And yes it is common -- even the best of folks have campaign violations.

But none of them have said -- yeah we were purposely hiding it because we knew it was wrong..yeah we are guilty -- lol.

If this was a recording error -- fine and be done.

But Cohen stood in a court of law and said yeah I was directed to perform an illegal act, knew it was wrong and did it anyways. He said it -- not the media, not the liberals - -not us Trump critics.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Good luck with that. Run a few stop signs and then tell the friendly officer that you didn't intend to run them.
Because running a stop sign falls under federal, criminal law...
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I get it -- many of you are loyal to Trump.

The reality Cohen and Pecker have said they are guilty. Doesn't matter if you don't think they should be - -they said they were -- lol.

As for Manafort, that juror who is a big Trump fan, says that it was overwhelmingly obvious Manafort was guilty.

I thought we believed f someone did a crime -- they needed to suffer the consequences.

Just because this may have implications for Trump you all are suddenly excusing, rationalizing, trying to fix it, spin it....

Cohen and Pecker -- nothing more to say -- they said they did it.

And as explained on endless media outlets and here.......it is more than just Cohen's words that make Cohen guilty -- lol...but that should be enough. Someone confesses to a crime -- hmmmm.

I have no doubt Trump had no idea that him knowing about these payments and how they were handled was unlawful. There is no doubt in my mind he has no clue to the full extent of what his actions mean...just like he was first ready to dismiss the whole notion foreign govt. trying to tamper with the USA election.

Trump has no sense of law, justice, etc. He just wants to do what he wants to do....and try to convince everyone he's the best. I bet the be best motto came from Trump every morning. I BE BEST.
I'm not loyal to anyone besides myself. But I am DISLOYAL to anyone attempting to turn this nation into a socialist, authoritarian state. So far, Trump has not done that. So I am not disloyal to Trump. Beyond that, I don't give a ****.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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Because running a stop sign falls under federal, criminal law...
So the big laws can be ignored because we did not understand them or we did not intend to break them... but the little laws stand as written. Got it. Sounds like crony-code-of-laws to me.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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Everything I've seen says that the relevant law is "unsettled" and murky. As someone pointed out, John Edwards was taken to trial in a similar case and 100% acquitted.

the big difference between the two cases is the direct connection to the campaign. in the edwards' case the prosecutor couldn't convince the jury that the pay-off was specifically to benefit the campaign and wouldn't have happened independently regardless of the campaign.


in trump's case we already have michael cohen admitting directly that the payoff was to benefit the campaign. add to that trump had years of opportunity to pay-off daniels but didn't till 10 days before the election. i doubt that it will be hard to convince a jury that the intent of the pay-off was to benefit the campaign.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: AZ
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So the big laws can be ignored because we did not understand them or we did not intend to break them... but the little laws stand as written. Got it. Sounds like crony-code-of-laws to me.
The only person saying this, is you.


Intent has a very real place in our criminal justice system; perhaps you should do more research before making baseless claims.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I'm not loyal to anyone besides myself. But I am DISLOYAL to anyone attempting to turn this nation into a socialist, authoritarian state. So far, Trump has not done that. So I am not disloyal to Trump. Beyond that, I don't give a ****.
What about a fascist authoritarian state? Because he's working towards that.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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I'm not loyal to anyone besides myself. But I am DISLOYAL to anyone attempting to turn this nation into a socialist, authoritarian state. So far, Trump has not done that. So I am not disloyal to Trump. Beyond that, I don't give a ****.
But that's not what all of this is about.

I get your policy concerns that don't support your political ideology -- but all of this has nothing to do with that.

I don't want any of that either but I don't believe in tariffs, the wall and I do believe in criminals being charged -- illegal or not.

But none of this has to do with that.

Trump does not represent the opportunity for the USA to reach its greatness.

He just doesn't.

And all of this is evidence of that.

Doesn't mean I support socialism, blah blah blah.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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As for Manafort, that juror who is a big Trump fan, says that it was overwhelmingly obvious Manafort was guilty.

The same juror said the trial was clearly a witch hunt, a political prosecution to get at Trump, and that they were all thinking this should have been a tax audit not a criminal trial.
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