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Old 08-25-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Are there any principles to anarcho-syndicalism? Or is it just Statism of a different flavor. I can't find any online.

With anarcho-capitalism we have two: the NAP and respect for private property rights.
Self-management

Freedom of labor

Worker solidarity


You can add many Marxist principles that are not unique to anarcho-syndicalism.
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Old 08-25-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Self-management

Freedom of labor

Worker solidarity


You can add many Marxist principles that are not unique to anarcho-syndicalism.
Those are just general ideas.

Not everyone is a worker either. In order for a philosophy to be sound it must be able to exist for a singular person at birth because that's where we all begin.
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Old 08-25-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
Bernie relies too much on fallacies. So much so that even when I might agree with him on something, I can't stand him on how he frames it. He did the same thing with the Robin Hood Tax idea, which Europe has tried and failed at.

He's looking at the return on Bezos's stock in Amazon which is meaningless unless he actually sells it. But the more he sells, the less he'll have to appreciate further.

He also claims Bezos's makes $260 million in a day. That's all based off a stock trading at a P/E of 173.5. The day Amazon falls behind with the PE still that high, the stock could plummet.

Meanwhile, it takes Amazon itself a month to make that in profit. Amazon only pays Bezos $140,153 a month.

As a comparison, Apple will make that profit in roughly four days. P/E of 18.75.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I think there is, maybe not to the extent you would like, but still, there is.
Privatization is impossible under statism. It's also an all or nothing proposition.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Not everyone is a worker either.
Which is precisely why I entered management. Don't have to worry about doing no work.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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But you won't have corporate america, the pentagon nor much of government as it is now.
You won’t necessarily need them. Being as competition between states would no longer be a factor, universities, syndicates, etc. will continue to develop technology.

My point was that for profit organizations by themselves are not and won’t be the ones who produce these inventions.

Government officials want to keep us ahead of the competition, state competition won’t exist so wherever the technology comes from it would be shared.

The application of such technologies would be different being as the consumer market at we know it would not exist.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Those are just general ideas.

Not everyone is a worker either. In order for a philosophy to be sound it must be able to exist for a singular person at birth because that's where we all begin.
Work is the root of all human societies, it is what maintain human life and organized communities, functions, etc.

As for human rights, etc. many of these principles are covered by Marxist principles. Humans have a right to usage of that which is not under the control of others. There is much more beyond that but you get the idea.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Work is the root of all human societies, it is what maintain human life and organized communities, functions, etc.

As for human rights, etc. many of these principles are covered by Marxist principles. Humans have a right to usage of that which is not under the control of others. There is much more beyond that but you get the idea.
So will be people be ordered to "work" under your system?

Because that first sentence is a non-answer.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Privatization is impossible under statism. It's also an all or nothing proposition.
The principles function the same. Individuals can own stocks, shares in a company, etc.

I know because there is government regulation you don’t consider it real but for most of it, the functions of ownership would be very similar without government influence compared to what it’s like now.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So will be people be ordered to "work" under your system?

Because that first sentence is a non-answer.
No, there would be no force to control you. Furthermore the basic needs (housing, food, etc.) living in a community will be provided to guarantee your survival, except in cases of over population for something like housing in a town.

Also work is a very general term. If you live in the woods and pick fruit to survive, that act is still labor.
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