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Old 09-10-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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Because you say so? It isn't working why? Because high school grads are not able to land non existing jobs?



You've not done much to enforce your belief. For your belief to be valid there would have to be many well paying jobs going unfilled because there weren't enough qualified people. That is not happening. Where the rare good paying job has openings, there are people lined up for them and there is no problem filling them.

We have a long list of qualified people but no jobs to give them. People are waiting years trying to get in.
Its reported on the news constantly that there are many open jobs that are unable to be filled due to lack of skills:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...nefits-pension

Construction booming but skilled workers scarce - News - The St. Augustine Record - St. Augustine, FL

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/bu...a6G7C30aAgmfI/

But then you have this as an issue too, people cant pass drug tests:
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...ass-drug-tests

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Old 09-10-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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Its reported on the news constantly that there are many open jobs that are unable to be filled due to lack fo skills:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...nefits-pension
Most of these are excuses for bringing in cheap labor. From the article.

There’s a lack of interest in skilled trades because families and educational institutions push for everyone to go to college, according to Marker.

Everyone is NOT being pushed into higher education. This is what we are discussing. The millions without a higher education needing a better paying job.

Construction booming but skilled workers scarce - News - The St. Augustine Record - St. Augustine, FL

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/bu...a6G7C30aAgmfI/

That’s because the shortage of skilled trade workers felt nationally across the industry is impacting Northeast Florida, as well.

Getting trained in something like this is still EXPENSIVE.

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But then you have this as an issue too, people cant pass drug tests:
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...ass-drug-tests
Failing because you smoke a little pot is not a reason to dismiss an otherwise qualified candidate. It's not going to be long before it's legal.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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For the 500th time (and which you and others continue to ignore) this is first of all NOT about the individual and these other careers are GONE. The same companies that have benefited from the Socialist market programs have sent them overseas.

The jobs are GONE. Are you going to simply continue to ignore that?

The programs that enrich the already rich are a misuse of the government. Bernie is condemning that but you are condemning Bernie.
Since the 70's technology substitution/industrial robotics eliminated more jobs than offshoring.

For example, bank tellers used to be one of the fastest growing occupations in the US. There were 530,000 bank tellers in 1980. It used to take 45-60 minutes to deposit a paycheck and get some cash back on Pay Day. Banks employed armies of tellers, auditors, keypunchers and so on to handle retail banking.

Direct Deposit, electronic check clearing, ATMs, online and mobile banking disrupted retail banking.

The function of a bank teller is nearly obsolete.

15% of US manufacturing jobs were eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology substitution/ industrial robotics. It's quite possible that a similar percentage of jobs will have been eliminated by the end of this decade.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
LOL, commies.

One day, communist agitation will be illegal. Perhaps the second and third world pro-commie migrants here will one day become restricted as well.

Amazon exists because of Bezos. The entirety of production is due to Bezos, which is then delegated to paid employees. Again, who only have a company to work for due to Bezos.

If commies thought / think that they can do a better job than Bezos unde a superior system, then they should have and should invent a company to outcompete Amazon.

They didn't and won't. Because they are lazy commies with no actual skill or initiative.

They are merely rent seeking haters who want free stuff.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Most of these are excuses for bringing in cheap labor. From the article.

There’s a lack of interest in skilled trades because families and educational institutions push for everyone to go to college, according to Marker.

Everyone is NOT being pushed into higher education. This is what we are discussing. The millions without a higher education needing a better paying job.

Construction booming but skilled workers scarce - News - The St. Augustine Record - St. Augustine, FL

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/bu...a6G7C30aAgmfI/

That’s because the shortage of skilled trade workers felt nationally across the industry is impacting Northeast Florida, as well.

Getting trained in something like this is still EXPENSIVE.



Failing because you smoke a little pot is not a reason to dismiss an otherwise qualified candidate. It's not going to be long before it's legal.
Obviously you have your pre-defined retorts ready to go without even considering other perspectives, opinions, or facts. You didn't even read the first 5 words of the story:
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The opioid and heroin epidemic ...
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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LOL, commies.

One day, communist agitation will be illegal. Perhaps the second and third world pro-commie migrants here will one day become restricted as well.

Amazon exists because of Bezos. The entirety of production is due to Bezos, which is then delegated to paid employees. Again, who only have a company to work for due to Bezos.

If commies thought / think that they can do a better job than Bezos unde a superior system, then they should have and should invent a company to outcompete Amazon.

They didn't and won't. Because they are lazy commies with no actual skill or initiative.

They are merely rent seeking haters who want free stuff.
Lol, a lot of BS in this post.

For one, Bezos doesn't operate his company, he never could, his workers do.

Second of all, production should be the main goal of a worker cooperative, not the valuation of products (which is just a circular system upheld be investment and consumerism).

Needs based production is the only way we can have a free and sustainable society.

Also, Bezos doesn't work, he manages other people's work.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Since the 70's technology substitution/industrial robotics eliminated more jobs than offshoring.

For example, bank tellers used to be one of the fastest growing occupations in the US. There were 530,000 bank tellers in 1980. It used to take 45-60 minutes to deposit a paycheck and get some cash back on Pay Day. Banks employed armies of tellers, auditors, keypunchers and so on to handle retail banking.

Direct Deposit, electronic check clearing, ATMs, online and mobile banking disrupted retail banking.

The function of a bank teller is nearly obsolete.

15% of US manufacturing jobs were eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology substitution/ industrial robotics. It's quite possible that a similar percentage of jobs will have been eliminated by the end of this decade.
This is a perfect example of where automation probably leads to other issues and unintended consequences that require new jobs.

Some of this automation is probably what made it easier for fraud to go unchecked internally, especially with companies like WellsFargo. Although I really do not advocate for larger government, having more automation and less human involvement in the banking system makes fraud easier, so there should be ramp ups seen in staffing with federal investigative authorities like the SEC. But we already know they are short staffed and cant keep up.
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Lol, a lot of BS in this post.

For one, Bezos doesn't operate his company, he never could, his workers do.
The only BS is from you. Its his company. It would not exist without him. The workers could not, would not, and did not start it. If they are as capable as you say, they would have. Period. Bezos makes the decisions. He operates it.

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Second of all, production should be the main goal of a worker cooperative, not the valuation of products (which is just a circular system upheld be investment and consumerism).
Blah, blah...commie talk. Get back to me when you have something relevant or even half decipherable.

Last, its not like someone from Iran has a credible say in what occurs here. You couldn't even prevent your nation from becoming an isolated theocratic basket-case. What possible credibility do you think that you have here? In fact, I'd say that the state of Iran indicates that whatever you and yours say we should do, the smart move would be to do the exact opposite of that. So, thanks for the anti-communist indicator. Noted.
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The only BS is from you. Its his company. It would not exist without him. The workers could not, would not, and did not start it. If they are as capable as you say, they would have. Period. Bezos makes the decisions. He operates it.

Blah, blah...commie talk. Get back to me when you have something relevant or even half decipherable.


Last, its not like someone from Iran has a credible say in what occurs here. You couldn't even prevent your nation from becoming an isolated theocratic basket-case. What possible credibility do you think that you have here? In fact, I'd say that the state of Iran indicates that whatever you and yours say we should do, the smart move would be to do the exact opposite of that. So, thanks for the anti-communist indicator. Noted.
Take away the profit motive, and work will be produced based off of needs (actual supply and demand, not the modern day demand creates supply model that corporations use).

And no, Bezos does not operate Amazon his workers do.
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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Take away the profit motive, and work will be produced based off of needs (actual supply and demand, not the modern day demand creates supply model that corporations use).
You couldn't be speaking in greater nonsense speak if you tried. Maybe its better if commies, who live at home, refrain from talking out of school about business.

Moreover you are trying to offer a solution that no one here as inquired about a solution to (or anywhere if Amazon's popularity is any indication). Thus there is no "demand" for your solution (assuming for a second that it wasn't absolute nonsense, which it is).

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And no, Bezos does not operate Amazon his workers do.
Really? Show me their legal ability to head the company and refute his decisions.

Communist spin is not reality.
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