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Sad that there are so many leftists on here, spreading communist propaganda.
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Originally Posted by Joe the Photog
You think the family and friends of gun violence care where it ranks? By your argument, where does death by illegal immigrant rank?
Do you think the family and friends of someone who was pushed out of a window would care where it ranks? Do you think we should outlaw windows? That has got to be the lamest excuse of an argument I have heard all morning.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
HIPAA is the stumbling block. ...
I am not sure it really is a stumbling block. If it is, it needs to be fixed, but most of what I have seen indicates that this is merely a smoke screen thrown up by liberals who don't want to face reality.
A gun dealer is required to check with the FBI and it is up to the government to police themselves, but the FBI has traditionally been more interested in playing politics than they are in doing their job right. Back in the 90's, when they first built the national database that is used for background checks, they asked that they be exempted from quality control standards that all other government agency databases were being asked to follow at the time. That should tell you something about where the problem lies.
Sad that there are so many leftists on here, spreading communist propaganda.
Do you think the family and friends of someone who was pushed out of a window would care where it ranks? Do you think we should outlaw windows? That has got to be the lamest excuse of an argument I have heard all morning.
I am not sure it really is a stumbling block. If it is, it needs to be fixed, but most of what I have seen indicates that this is merely a smoke screen thrown up by liberals who don't want to face reality.
A gun dealer is required to check with the FBI and it is up to the government to police themselves, but the FBI has traditionally been more interested in playing politics than they are in doing their job right. Back in the 90's, when they first built the national database that is used for background checks, they asked that they be exempted from quality control standards that all other government agency databases were being asked to follow at the time. That should tell you something about where the problem lies.
HIPAA is a law, not a quality control standard that anyone is being "asked" to follow.
One of the more common reasons I see for not allowing NICS an exemption from HIPAA is that doing so will discourage those who really need it from seeking medical treatment for their mental illness(es). A LOT of people who are mentally ill are either in denial about it, and/or they try to hide it.
Currently, the only mentally ill persons who can be legally identified by NICS' database are "those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs." (Source: HHS) Those who have voluntarily sought treatment for mental illness are not identified.
He was able to buy two guns from a licensed dealer, another large hole in background checks and reporting people with mental illness.
A licensed dealer where ? Baltimore or Florida ? Can't see it being Florida, an out of state individual can't just walk in an purchase a firearm. You can thank HIPAA laws for not being able to share medical records with the NICS.
Who the heck brings a gun to a "gaming contest".... it fits the narrative, of "If they can't beat someone fair and square, then the aim is to maim and or kill, if they can't dominate over others the aim is to destroy...
This has been a historical pattern, and we likely can be sure this was a "die hard Trump supporter" with a severe conservative consumption.
Liberal minded people are far less likely to do something this horrendous.
No one should take the pursuit of any game, money or anything else so serious they go off the deep with a premeditate intent to kill the competitors !!!!! (bringing a gun to a gaming event, is enough fact, that this was a premeditated act if and when this person did not win.)
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One has to think about about how retailers in the US have enough money to protect goods from being stolen by the use of detectors, camera's and personnel yet spend no money in protecting people? Yet in Israel where civilian gun/weapon control is extremely high on the agenda to protect people that even the corner supermarkets have some measure to do so.
HIPAA is a law, not a quality control standard that anyone is being "asked" to follow.
I never said it was, you misread what I wrote. I made the assumption the reader could see that I was writing about two different databases, and how they interface.
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One of the more common reasons I see for not allowing NICS an exemption from HIPAA is that doing so will discourage those who really need it from seeking medical treatment for their mental illness(es). A LOT of people who are mentally ill are either in denial about it, and/or they try to hide it.
Sounds like all the liberals (or leftists, or progressive, or whatever they want to call themselves today).
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Currently, the only mentally ill persons who can be legally identified by NICS' database are "those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs." (Source: HHS) Those who have voluntarily sought treatment for mental illness are not identified.
The shooter in Jacksonville had been involuntarily committed, multiple times, so anyone saying that HIPAA stopped them from reporting is using it as a smokescreen.
According to court documents, before, during and after Katz lived in the Columbia home, he had "significant behavioral mental health issues," antipsychotic medications, was involuntarily committed to mental hospitals six times and spent 97 days at Redcliff Ascen" in Utah. His mother claimed her son was "in desperate state" and "a potential schizophrenic break."
Also, despite the MSM repeatedly saying he bought the guns legally, it would be illegal for him to purchase those guns with his background, once again showing that laws don't stop lawbreakers.
What this shows is that the government agencies in D.C., Maryland, Utah are not doing their job, which is basically what I said before.
Who the heck brings a gun to a "gaming contest".... it fits the narrative, of "If they can't beat someone fair and square, then the aim is to maim and or kill, if they can't dominate over others the aim is to destroy... This has been a historical pattern, and we likely can be sure this was a "die hard Trump supporter" with a severe conservative consumption.
Liberal minded people are far less likely to do something this horrendous.
No on should take the pursuit of any game, money or anything else so serious they go off the deep with a premeditate intent to kill the competitors. (bringing a gun to a gaming event, is enough fact, that this was a premeditated act if and when this person did not win.)
Not following the story, I see. Katz was a Trump hater who made many posts on social media about it. He was a left wing nut job. Out of the past dozen shooters, I believe only one was proven to be a right-winger. The rest all belong to the liberals and have been proving how "tolerant" the left is.
Who the heck brings a gun to a "gaming contest".... it fits the narrative, of "If they can't beat someone fair and square, then the aim is to maim and or kill, if they can't dominate over others the aim is to destroy... This has been a historical pattern, and we likely can be sure this was a "die hard Trump supporter" with a severe conservative consumption.
Liberal minded people are far less likely to do something this horrendous.
No on should take the pursuit of any game, money or anything else so serious they go off the deep with a premeditate intent to kill the competitors. (bringing a gun to a gaming event, is enough fact, that this was a premeditated act if and when this person did not win.)
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