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Old 08-28-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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In Minnesota’s case Pee Wee Herman could be dictator and we would most likely move up the list. Moronic Democrats can not derail a state with agriculture along with multiple Fortune 500 companies.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Its a good argument for the Dims. At the same time, many of the red states are the fastest growing such as Texas, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia...those states have lower costs and decent pay so a good balance.
The link lists the 5-year GDP growth average for each state, and their rank. The states you listed rank:

Texas: 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +2.5% (5th largest increase)
North Carolina: 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +1.7% (15th largest increase)
Arizona: 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +1.6% (18th largest increase)
Georgia: 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +2.3% (8th largest increase)

Only 2 of the 4 states you listed are in the top 10. And, I might add, 3 of the 4 are purple states these days anyway.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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please DEFINE what a red or blue state are....
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Red or blue states correspond to those states who went republican or Democrat in the last presidential election. It roughly corresponds to being either majority conservative or majority liberal.

Colorado, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Washington, Hawaii, Minnesota, California, and Maryland all went democratic in 2016 (so 8 out of 10) based on that definition.

In terms of registered voters, California, and Maryland have more registered democrats than any other group. Massachusetts and Colorado have more registered dems than Republicans. Three don’t register by party meaning only New Hampshire, Utah and Idaho have more registered Republicans than dems. So given either definition the OPs premise is true.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

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Old 08-28-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Methodology...

To identify the states with the best and worst economies, 24/7 Wall Street reviewed for each state average annual GDP growth between 2012 and 2017 from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the poverty rate from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2016 American Community Survey, the unemployment rate in June 2018 from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average annual employment growth rates between 2012 and 2017, and the percentage of adults (age 25+) with at least a bachelor’s degree.


Not sure what people having bachelor's degrees has to do with the economy.

Here is Texas - which by ourselves is among the top oil producing nations in the world - were 21st, and it says this.

Having the fifth fastest economic growth was not enough to push Texas into the ranks of the 20 best economies, largely because it has a below average adult educational attainment rate and one of the higher poverty rates among states.


You see how it works? They have to throw in the education factor (which has absolutely nothing to do with the economy) to skew the numbers, and lift up their preferred states.

Consider

Hawaii is ranked 6th - with a $75 billion GDP and an 1.5% increase over 5 years

Texas is ranked 21st - with a $1.5 trillion GDP and a 2.5% increase over 5 years

The increase in Texas is almost larger than their entire GDP.

... yet Hawaii's economy is better than Texas. Give me a break.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Red or blue states correspond to those states who went republican or Democrat in the last presidential election. It roughly corresponds to being either majority conservative or majority liberal.

Colorado, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Washington, Hawaii, Minnesota, California, and Maryland all went democratic in 2016 (so 8 out of 10) based on that definition.

In terms of registered voters, California, and Maryland have more registered democrats than any other group. Massachusetts and Colorado have more registered dems than Republicans. Three don’t register by party meaning only New Hampshire, Utah and Idaho have more registered Republicans than dems. So given either definition the OPs premise is true.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead


no not being obtuse..


based on the last POTUS election maps... hmm means it changes every 4 years? so the definition (I asked him to define what a red and blue is (instead he just blew me off)) (at least you gave some sort of an answer along with the obtuse remark) changes every 4 years with the winds of a national election???


by all accounts every state is purple


so was California considered a red state in 1980 and 1984, and 88??


is Michigan now considered a red state based on the 16 election??




how about based on state level politics?




Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia has all been democrat controlled for nearly 100 years before 2000 when they switched
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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But, but, but... and the left thinks ly.

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From the referenced article in OP:

By several measures, the national economy is the strongest it has been in decades. The U.S. monthly unemployment rate now sits comfortably below 4%, and we are in the second longest period of GDP growth since World War II.

24/7 Wall St. reviewed economic growth, poverty, unemployment, job growth, and college attainment rates to compare and rank state economies. The best ranked states tend to have fast-growing economies, low poverty and unemployment rates, high job growth, and a relatively well-educated workforce, while the opposite is generally the case among states with the worst ranked economies.



The economy is "strongest in decades" and we have the second longest period of GDP growth since WWII! It is no surprise some of the coastal states have reaped the greatest gains in this healthy economic environment. They are home to the wealthiest, most educated, most in demand workers. However, let's not forget the middle of the country workers are better off, too, with low unemployment rates and rising wages relative to even two years ago. I think we all should celebrate that fact. most of us do.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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True. But, it does not fit the half-truth agenda.

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Methodology...

To identify the states with the best and worst economies, 24/7 Wall Street reviewed for each state average annual GDP growth between 2012 and 2017 from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the poverty rate from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2016 American Community Survey, the unemployment rate in June 2018 from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average annual employment growth rates between 2012 and 2017, and the percentage of adults (age 25+) with at least a bachelor’s degree.


Not sure what people having bachelor's degrees has to do with the economy.

Here is Texas - which by ourselves is among the top oil producing nations in the world - were 21st, and it says this.

Having the fifth fastest economic growth was not enough to push Texas into the ranks of the 20 best economies, largely because it has a below average adult educational attainment rate and one of the higher poverty rates among states.


You see how it works? They have to throw in the education factor (which has absolutely nothing to do with the economy) to skew the numbers, and lift up their preferred states.

Consider

Hawaii is ranked 6th - with a $75 billion GDP and an 1.5% increase over 5 years

Texas is ranked 21st - with a $1.5 trillion GDP and a 2.5% increase over 5 years

The increase in Texas is almost larger than their entire GDP.

... yet Hawaii's economy is better than Texas. Give me a break.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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Its a good argument for the Dims. At the same time, many of the red states are the fastest growing such as Texas, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia...those states have lower costs and decent pay so a good balance.
In most cases, the fastest growing areas in red states are blue counties and most of the growth is in demographic groups not prone to vote Republican.

The blue/red state thing is way overblown. Every state is a mosaic of red and blue.
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Old 08-28-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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no not being obtuse..


based on the last POTUS election maps... hmm means it changes every 4 years? so the definition (I asked him to define what a red and blue is (instead he just blew me off)) (at least you gave some sort of an answer along with the obtuse remark) changes every 4 years with the winds of a national election???


by all accounts every state is purple


so was California considered a red state in 1980 and 1984, and 88??


is Michigan now considered a red state based on the 16 election??




how about based on state level politics?




Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia has all been democrat controlled for nearly 100 years before 2000 when they switched
Yes, even Massachusetts went red twice in the 80's.
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Old 08-28-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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The fact that Texas isn't in the top 10 for whatever your definition of 'economy' is points to this being fake news
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