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Globe & Mail is not really a "conservative" newspaper - it is basically the same as the New York Times for Canada. Sometimes Center Right, sometimes Liberal, particularly on Social Justice Warrior issued.
They have most content behind a PayWall - this is the article that you are referring to without the PayWall ............ read the entire thing, it misses a few things but hits the high points.
It's actually a pretty good article and does expose what the sticking points are at this point. A few make sense, but what doesn't make any sense (and never had) is that Canada (Freeland/Trudeau) have continue to place a Red Line on their Social Virtue List, which includes Gender Equality, TransGender Rights, Global Warming, Culture Protection ...... none of which really have much to do with "Trade".
Canada wants a Unicorn Agreement - Mexico and the USA want a Trade Agreement.
It's like Venus negotiating with Mars. IF they can get past the Unicorn Items, the real sticking points are the Arbitration Chapters - 11, 19, 20. 11 mostly has to do with Mexico and parts of it remain, but only for Energy sectors. Mexico & USA have an agreement and Canada will accept it. USA wants to throw out Chapter 19 (holdover from Trade agreement pre-NAFTA that the USA had never liked) - disputes now go to Bi-national Panels for arbitration, USA wants Courts & Laws to decide arbitration. Off the top of my head - I forget exactly what 20 is, but it is Chapter 19 that is the big argument - Mexico has agreed to toss 19 and go to Court of Law.
Ms. Freeland, who said on Thursday a deal is possible, had offered the Americans concessions on increased U.S. dairy exports to Canada U.S. and on intellectual property, but Mr. Lighthizer was unwilling to offer any concessions of his own on the two key Canadian demands.
The United States and Mexico previously agreed to a scaled-back Chapter 11 that would apply only to companies in oil and gas, energy generation, telecommunications and infrastructure. Canada is not opposed to eliminating Chapter 11.
As previously reported by The Globe, Canada has offered U.S. farmers more access to the protected Canadian dairy market in a bid for a deal. Canada is also fighting to keep protections for cultural industries in the trade deal. Both dairy and cultural protections are major issues in Quebec, which is in the early stages of a volatile election campaign.
Canada is holding the line on Buy American demands from Mr. Lighthizer, a Canadian source with knowledge of the talks said, telling the Americans that Canada must have the same access to bid on U.S. government contracts or will impose Buy Canadian provisions on U.S. firms.
Other items that have been a sticking point with Canada & agreed by Mexico & the USA is the Banking - right now Canada has banks in the USA and refuses to allow US Banks in Canada. Mexico & USA have banks in each Country. I have no idea if the USA is allowed to Bid on Canadian Contracts NOW, but Canada bids on a LOT of US Contracts .... many will remember that it was a Canadian IT firm that received Billions of Federal Dollars to roll out the ObamaCare disaster and never fixed it.
Disaster hit Trudeau yesterday in the Canadian Courts - I will post it, but in another post.
I absolutely has an effect on the NAFTA talks - Canada is in a Panic right now.
Thanks for clarifying what is currently going on with the new NAFTA deal. I stayed up to watch the rerun of Ingram's show, and she did say the deal was done however, I've found nothing to back up her claim.
That being said, I agree that Canada is most likely in panic mode right now.
The reality is that the recent agreement with Mexico is nearly identical to the original NAFTA - Trump figured out that he could not wholesale change it, that was simply a fantasy. So he was left with making a few tweaks, which of course he can now advertise as being fantastic and new and HIS.
The other thing that people don't mention is that the agreements he wants from Canada are nearly identical to the Trans-Pacific Partnership that Trump killed. We all know he killed the TPP because it was Obama's idea and of course that meant it was bad, right? So now he proposes nearly the same terms to Canada and he can claim it as his own.
Yet somehow his supporters don't seem to be following any of this. Why is that?
Here is your dose of "Reality" - These were all posted on August 27, 2018
You are correct that many Chapters of NAFT remain the same, much of it is Procedural. However - several BIG issues are very different - Origin requirements and Rules - close the NAFTA loophole for Trans-Shipping. Labor Rules - Organize Labor Unions in Mexico to protect worker rights and raise wages. Protection of Intellectual Property -- are the biggest changes.
This is about JOBS for Americans, Mexicans and Canadians - Canada wanted no changes at all to NAFTA even though some of their manufacturers were leaving Canada for cheap wage Mexico.
TPP would have replaced NAFTA eventually and opened the door further for China to cement Trans-Shipping with no Tariffs on them and High Tariffs on the USA. Labor was against it and that's why.
Canada will give up something for someting.
USA did with Mexico
Mexico did with USA
That's at the core of a deal.
Trump and his fans aren't worried about the best deal for the USA - -they are more worried about the perception of winning -- taking advantage of.
The latter doesn't matter. You don't think other countries don't know that Trump is more worried about what things look like -- then the real substance of the deal -- lol.
Canada will give up something for someting.
USA did with Mexico
Mexico did with USA
That's at the core of a deal.
Trump and his fans aren't worried about the best deal for the USA - -they are more worried about the perception of winning -- taking advantage of.
The latter doesn't matter. You don't think other countries don't know that Trump is more worried about what things look like -- then the real substance of the deal -- lol.
Correct.. Trump will renegotiate and not do a darn thing in the actual renegotiation to make it look like he did something to keep his name in the news.. Its an attention seeking deal and people need to understand this. He's also doing this today through Fox to try and get some attention off McCain's funeral. I can only imagine the stuff he'll do if other prominent political figures pass away soon.
Thanks for clarifying what is currently going on with the new NAFTA deal. I stayed up to watch the rerun of Ingram's show, and she did say the deal was done however, I've found nothing to back up her claim.
That being said, I agree that Canada is most likely in panic mode right now.
Laura might have been getting her "news" from Canadian Press -- they have said all along that things were "going great", and that a "deal was almost done" -- as late as yesterday the BCB (State funded Media) was full of "almost there, it's going great".
They also said that Freeland was "in the loop" on all Mexico/USA negotiations and that was clearly wrong - Freeland and Justin found out about the Mexico/USA Trade Agreement in the Press/Media. It caught them totally flatfooted, which is why she rushed back to Washington that day after just arriving in Germany. President Trump called PM Trudeau Monday morning before the Oval Office announcement - Trudeau refused to take his phone call.
So now word is out that Trump made stupid, explosive insults about Canada and any deal is dead.
No Canada isn't childish like that:
Trudeau's official statement after hearing Trump's latest temper rant.
"We're going to remain constructive, positive, serious and creative about what we do around the negotiating table, in what we do in relation with the United States," he said in Oshawa, Ont. "But we are also going to be unequivocal about always standing up for Canadians' rights and Canadians' interests."
Freeland was also asked if the Americans are negotiating in good faith in light of the report on Trump's remarks. She said she and her counterpart, U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, have been working hard, and that progress has been made in the last year since both sides began with starting positions that were "very far apart."
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