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Originally Posted by Nomander Ensuring that people with wheelchairs can visit a restaurant is not especially catering to them. People in wheelchairs need specialised bathrooms for instance and going to the bathroom is a necessity. A restaurant owner would attract less customers if he had no bathrooms at all.
Is going to that restaurant a necessity or a choice? If a persons makes a choice to do something, would it not be reasonable that they are responsible for that choice? That is, would it not be reasonable to expect that their choices may not always produce exactly what they expect or want?
Is going to that restaurant a necessity or a choice?
There are people who cannot take care of themselves so cannot cook (the mentally disabled and also some physically disabled).
But I could imagine that some people just don't want to see these people in their luxurious 5-star restaurants
Originally Posted by Nomander There are people who cannot take care of themselves so cannot cook (the mentally disabled and also some physically disabled).
But I could imagine that some people just don't want to see these people in their luxurious 5-star restaurants
You didn't answer my question. Is it a necessity or a choice to go to a restaurant?
Originally Posted by Nomander I have because for some people it is a necessity since they can't cook themselves and have no one who want to take care of them.
Originally Posted by Nomander I have because for some people it is a necessity since they can't cook themselves and have no one who want to take care of them.
There is a such thing as take out. There is delivery as well.
Necessity is something that you can't live without. It is a requirement, not an option. There is no choice for necessity. For instance, we need air to breathe, its a necessity. We need water to live, it is a necessity. Going to a restaraunt is not a necessity, it is a "want". There are always options concerning that.
Originally Posted by Amaznjohn Are you implying that mentally and / or physically handicaped people should drive no matter their handicap?
If nobody is taking care of them and they are too disabled to even eat the slightest of "ready to eat" items from a store, then please explain to me how they are capable of getting to a restaurant and eating there? Take a second to think about the position your are defending. Evaluate a need vs a want closely and you might see how your painting yourself into a corner here logically.
There are many people that cannot cook. When the wife and I were remodeling our kitchen, we had to eat out for more than a week straight. In college towns, where kids don't have kitchens in their dorms and aren't part of a meal plan, they must go out to eat. People don't go out for dinner as a treat anymore; it's a necessity in many folks' daily lives.
I think the smoking ban is better for restaurants and not clubs and bars. People have to eat, period. You don't have to go to the bar or club for a few drinks. People on the boards don't know what happens in everyone's personal lives - as I said, many are forced to go out to eat.
I find it both funny and ridiculous that drive-thrus were suggested to those who physically cannot breathe in cigarette smoke at a casual restaurant. What has this country come to?
As I'm off from work today, I went to 5 local restaurants on my street to ask how the smoking ban has affected their businesses. Three said there is no change in their customer base, and two said their business saw an increase. If you'd like the names to these restaurants, I'll gladly give them to you over PM.
There are many people that cannot cook. When the wife and I were remodeling our kitchen, we had to eat out for more than a week straight. In college towns, where kids don't have kitchens in their dorms and aren't part of a meal plan, they must go out to eat. People don't go out for dinner as a treat anymore; it's a necessity in many folks' daily lives.
I think the smoking ban is better for restaurants and not clubs and bars. People have to eat, period. You don't have to go to the bar or club for a few drinks. People on the boards don't know what happens in everyone's personal lives - as I said, many are forced to go out to eat.
I find it both funny and ridiculous that drive-thrus were suggested to those who physically cannot breathe in cigarette smoke at a casual restaurant. What has this country come to?
As I'm off from work today, I went to 5 local restaurants on my street to ask how the smoking ban has affected their businesses. Three said there is no change in their customer base, and two said their business saw an increase. If you'd like the names to these restaurants, I'll gladly give them to you over PM.
Those are all excuses that evade the point. Keep in mind my parents drove in the trucking industry for a while. I know all about the difficulties of cooking, gaining access to some areas, etc... Even so, there are STILL options.
Also what does drive through have to do with someone who can't breathe? Are you saying they can't drive? So how do they get to the restaurant in the first place? They walk? So you are saying they can't drive, but they can walk?
Have you ever heard of things like "Meals on Wheels"? A personal care assistant or in some cases even a neighbor? Ive picked up meals for an older lady I used to live next to many years ago.
Care to explain how it is a requirement for them to not only go to that restaurant, but go inside it and eat at it? They have no choice right? They have to go to it and go inside? Is that what you are saying?
Your "personal poll" is hardly evidence and is irrelevant. You can't pick the menus at a restaurant right? You can't force them to serve what they don't want to right? Yet you can tell them how they are to run their business? Wow, thats rather demanding don't you think? Do you pay their bills and taxes consistently every month? Why should you have a say? Did you take out the loan for the business? Did you take the risk to run it? Also, if its such a "cash maker" for being smokeless, don't you think we would see smoke free businesses pop up? So why did we have to force it on the owners? Its such a cash cow, I mean all those non-smokers rushing to that place of business. Let the market decide. And if you don't like that nobody is opening one up, by all means, open one up yourself. You have a CHOICE!
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There are people who cannot take care of themselves so cannot cook (the mentally disabled and also some physically disabled).
I have because for some people it is a necessity since they can't cook themselves and have no one who want to take care of them.
Are you implying that mentally and / or physically handicaped people should drive no matter their handicap?
