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Old 08-31-2018, 06:00 AM
 
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So another myth bites the dust.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/americ...ass-shootings/

"Lankford’s (the man who claimed the US lead the world) study reported that over the 47 years there were 90 public mass shooters in the United States and 202 in the rest of world. Lankford hasn’t released his list of shootings or even the number of cases by country or year. We and others, both in academia and the media, have asked Lankford for his list, only to be declined. He has also declined to provide lists of the news sources and languages he used to compile his list of cases.

These omissions are important because Lankford’s entire conclusion would fall apart if he undercounted foreign cases due to lack of news coverage and language barriers.

Lankford cites a 2012 New York Police Department report which he claims is “nearly comprehensive in its coverage of recent decades.” He also says he supplemented the data and followed “the same data collection methodology employed by the NYPD.” But the NYPD report warns that its own researchers “limited [their] Internet searches to English-language sites, creating a strong sampling bias against international incidents,” and thus under-count foreign mass shootings."

Also,

"Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."

So, the US ranks 56th out of 86. Even in the civilized world the US not first.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Stop.....that is NOT the liberal narrative and it does not allow for Europeans and Canadians to feel quite as smug towards us. Remember we are the bad guys, the boogie man of the world.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Everybody knows that. More guns equals a safer society.

Just don't tell Trump; he'll try to get even more gun laws passed.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:52 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Uses hand picked year ranges to skew data. IE the Norway 2011 attacks.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Uses hand picked year ranges to skew data. IE the Norway 2011 attacks.
The number of years quoted is now a constant. What about it makes you think it's a variable? A year is a year. Did you have something else in mind?
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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So another myth bites the dust.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/americ...ass-shootings/

"Lankford’s (the man who claimed the US lead the world) study reported that over the 47 years there were 90 public mass shooters in the United States and 202 in the rest of world. Lankford hasn’t released his list of shootings or even the number of cases by country or year. We and others, both in academia and the media, have asked Lankford for his list, only to be declined. He has also declined to provide lists of the news sources and languages he used to compile his list of cases.

These omissions are important because Lankford’s entire conclusion would fall apart if he undercounted foreign cases due to lack of news coverage and language barriers.

Lankford cites a 2012 New York Police Department report which he claims is “nearly comprehensive in its coverage of recent decades.” He also says he supplemented the data and followed “the same data collection methodology employed by the NYPD.” But the NYPD report warns that its own researchers “limited [their] Internet searches to English-language sites, creating a strong sampling bias against international incidents,” and thus under-count foreign mass shootings."

Also,

"Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."

So, the US ranks 56th out of 86. Even in the civilized world the US not first.
Those wet pops you heard were liberal heads exploding and what passed for brains were oozing out.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Everybody knows that. More guns equals a safer society.

Just don't tell Trump; he'll try to get even more gun laws passed.
No, fewer guns equals a safer society. For quite easy proof, look at the lower murder rates in Japan and Australia.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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"Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."
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That is a bit misleading, Norway and Switzerland are not more violent, in the past 47 years they have both had just one mass public shooting. But 1 shooting affects the rate. Finland had 3. Many (most?) of the listed Russian incidents are during the First and Second Chechen Wars for independence from Russia.

Foreign cases:
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...1_20180823.pdf
US Cases:
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...2-US-Cases.pdf
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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Stop.....that is NOT the liberal narrative and it does not allow for Europeans and Canadians to feel quite as smug towards us. Remember we are the bad guys, the boogie man of the world.
Where is Canada on the list?
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."

So, the US ranks 56th out of 86. Even in the civilized world the US not first.
That is intersting considering the fact the Norway has had 1 mass shooting......ever.

And somehow they have more than US..

You need to learn to realize when you are being had.
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