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Maybe it is not beefing but rather, seeing a potential issue and standing up for those who can't speak.
Is that not noble, whatever the cause may be, to speak for others even if one has no dog in the fight?
"... whatever the cause may be?"
Well, yeah, I guess even the KKK has a Constitutional right to assemble.
Even so, the OP seems intent on speaking not for people who can't speak but for those who shouldn't speak. The men who are complaining about their "rights" being inhibited by the #metoo movement need to look inward instead of casting blame outward.
.........Seriously. If you're that paranoid about getting caught up in a sexual harassment/assault scandal, then you either have a guilty conscience or need to see your doctor to something to control your anxiety. Or you're just using it as an easy excuse to talk yourself out of asking women out, because you've never really asked them out or approached them before it all started, anyway......
What's so paranoid.....especially if one has experience in other areas to make one think twice, cover their six when they think it might come back to haunt them?
Someone jumped on me once for referring to someone from south of the border for to them, that was a racial slur. To me, south of the border literally means south of the border of the US, just a geographical statement.
My range supplies are delivered to a store front and not my home address because you never know who might be watching, who might draw the wrong conclusion.
I have friends, well net associates, who scream child pornography on any book with pictures of nude children in them, even about criminal investigation and like books.
Now, granted, I come from an intelligence background where there always was someone looking over my shoulder, where I had to report any contact with persons from countries of suspect, to my superior intelligence agency. When I told that person, another woman in my dance troupe, that I had to make that report, she was shocked, she thought she left that back in Eastern Europe.
To her, to probably others that don't have the background that I do, I would not be surprised if they thought they had nothing to worry about. That because they had done no wrong, no one would accuse them of being in the wrong.
Well, yeah, I guess even the KKK has a Constitutional right to assemble.
YES, they do.
I may not like a person, I was certainly no fan of Hillary Clinton, but when others were saying that she should not be allowed to run because she currently was under investigation, I stood up and defended her under innocent until proven guilty, under due process of law.
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Even so, the OP seems intent on speaking not for people who can't speak but for those who shouldn't speak. The men who are complaining about their "rights" being inhibited by the #metoo movement need to look inward instead of casting blame outward.
In your humble opinion they should not speak.
That someone is so brave to stand up for others especially in an environment where to speak for another may bring accusation against them both speaks of character and the dangers of mob justice.
This isn't some competition between me and RbccL with uniformed teams on opposite sides.
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That's the biggest mystery to me ... If you aren't part of the problem, then why beef?
I have a genuine fear of justice without due process.
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I'm certainly not trying to wrong anyone, just the opposite. I feel like I've been stating the obvious and don't understand the men who are mad that I'm critisizing some men's negative behavior.
As far as bringing race into it though, I do get your point, but as my daughter said when she was 6: "We all have a cross-eyed bear."
Race is another thread.
Race was just an example, but as you stated, you got the point I was trying to make.
What's so paranoid.....especially if one has experience in other areas to make one think twice, cover their six when they think it might come back to haunt them?
Someone jumped on me once for referring to someone from south of the border for to them, that was a racial slur. To me, south of the border literally means south of the border of the US, just a geographical statement.
My range supplies are delivered to a store front and not my home address because you never know who might be watching, who might draw the wrong conclusion.
I have friends, well net associates, who scream child pornography on any book with pictures of nude children in them, even about criminal investigation and like books.
Now, granted, I come from an intelligence background where there always was someone looking over my shoulder, where I had to report any contact with persons from countries of suspect, to my superior intelligence agency. When I told that person, another woman in my dance troupe, that I had to make that report, she was shocked, she thought she left that back in Eastern Europe.
To her, to probably others that don't have the background that I do, I would not be surprised if they thought they had nothing to worry about. That because they had done no wrong, no one would accuse them of being in the wrong.
This post is like winning TamaraSavannah bingo. If only you had referenced an 80s movie ...
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I may not like a person, I was certainly no fan of Hillary Clinton, but when others were saying that she should not be allowed to run because she currently was under investigation, I stood up and defended her under innocent until proven guilty, under due process of law.
In your humble opinion they should not speak.
That someone is so brave to stand up for others especially in an environment where to speak for another may bring accusation against them both speaks of character and the dangers of mob justice.
Tamara, do you understand what we are discussing here?
Do you realize who you are calling brave and noble? Because I don't think you do.
.........Tamara, do you understand what we are discussing here?
Do you realize who you are calling brave and noble? Because I don't think you do.
Yes, I understand and yes I can understand their view point.
Even if one's position is against mine, I am willing to recognize the points of validity when things are properly done. I would not vote for Bernie Sanders but I recognize those who believed in them and I would give some support to go to a rally to support him because they were exercising their right of choice.
As the phrase might go in court, "I disagree with you.....but it is brilliantly presented.".
EDIT: You wanted a movie quote or something? "Mr. Spock, you misunderstand us. We can be against him and admire him all at the same time."
Yes, I understand and yes I can understand their view point.
Even if one's position is against mine, I am willing to recognize the points of validity when things are properly done. I would not vote for Bernie Sanders but I recognize those who believed in them and I would give some support to go to a rally to support him because they were exercising their right of choice.
As the phrase might go in court, "I disagree with you.....but it is brilliantly presented.".
There is a huge difference in supporting different political candidates and advocating for the right to oppress and harm others.
I am genuinely curious about what "brilliant" presentations of sexual harassment you would proffer as valid.
Race was just an example, but as you stated, you got the point I was trying to make.
I got your point, bc in a thread about race, I once commented about the oppression of women. The response I got was: "Can't I just have my moment, please?" It made me stop to think that everything isn't about me, and I can't know how it is live as anyone else. But I sure know how it's been to be a woman, and I don't like that truth and reality of the experience to be denied either.
3? Ha. You're a funny guy if you don't see how ridiculous your defense is.
I am a funny guy. And forgive me for not listing every single case of men getting ruined unfoundedly by #metoo. Your argument is the same as advocating that whites be enslaved for a few years because African Americans were. Silly on it’s face.
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