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Old 09-16-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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The study that brought this to light, also included the statement:

“The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability.”

So it is not so much about “policing” individual doctors as it is about fixing the system that leads to these errors. Not saying there aren’t bad docs out there. Just like any profession, there are. But most of the errors cited by the Hopkins study weren’t about that.

Also, in my neighborhood, and many other affluent areas, the doctors with the best reputations do not accept insurance. For example, my primary physician spends about 1/2 hour with me during my annual physical. I pay about $500 before I leave the office. His office processes the insurance claim, and my insurance company sends me a check for less than half of that.
Using facts and logic on Mr. de Tree is pointless.
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Agree.




I get the feeling you don't know much about how tax brackets work.




Ahh, the Conspiracy Theorist. There's one in every thread.



They have a show called Healthcare Connect on Sirious Satellite radio where they answer healthcare questions. The guy works for a healthcare system out of New York and is very liberal. Even HE says Americans would not want socialized medicine. First of all, in those places, you are in wards, not in private rooms. You wait forever for elective procedures and often get denied for testing. But the most interesting point he made, and one I never thought of was, we do most of the R&D for new drugs and procedures in this country. There has to be an incentive to do that and we are essentially subsidizing OTHER countries by developing these because eventually the other countries use the drugs and new procedures.
Of course, just like we subsidize the rest of the world's (or at least our allies') defense. These Canadians and Europeans just don't get it. They like to harp on about how backwards they think it is here but they just seem to be in denial about who they're gonna turn to when the you-know-what really hits the fan. They don't pay for that protection, WE do. That's where all the money for this perfect single payer system they harp on about goes to. So frankly, I wish foreigners would shut up, mind their own business, and harp on about how awful the USA is on their own country-run forums.

They pay a fraction what we, as American taxpayers, pay for defense.

I still like my insurance plan, btw. To all these sanctimonious foreigners, I'm sorry that you have to work for it here and not just hold your hand out.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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I agree
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Old 10-11-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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The UK and France have the bomb, and the the combined might of the European NATO countries, mean that they don't need to spend more, or need the US.
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Of course, just like we subsidize the rest of the world's (or at least our allies') defense. These Canadians and Europeans just don't get it. They like to harp on about how backwards they think it is here but they just seem to be in denial about who they're gonna turn to when the you-know-what really hits the fan. They don't pay for that protection, WE do. That's where all the money for this perfect single payer system they harp on about goes to. So frankly, I wish foreigners would shut up, mind their own business, and harp on about how awful the USA is on their own country-run forums.

They pay a fraction what we, as American taxpayers, pay for defense.

I still like my insurance plan, btw. To all these sanctimonious foreigners, I'm sorry that you have to work for it here and not just hold your hand out.
We don’t need to spend that much on defense, we spend way too much. And who exactly are we d3fending ourselves from?
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Of course, just like we subsidize the rest of the world's (or at least our allies') defense. These Canadians and Europeans just don't get it. They like to harp on about how backwards they think it is here but they just seem to be in denial about who they're gonna turn to when the you-know-what really hits the fan. They don't pay for that protection, WE do. That's where all the money for this perfect single payer system they harp on about goes to. So frankly, I wish foreigners would shut up, mind their own business, and harp on about how awful the USA is on their own country-run forums.

They pay a fraction what we, as American taxpayers, pay for defense.

I still like my insurance plan, btw. To all these sanctimonious foreigners, I'm sorry that you have to work for it here and not just hold your hand out.
Firstly I don't see anyone harping on, indeed why should people outsode the US even care about US Healthcare, it's a US domestic issue.

Secondly America spends a lot more of healthcare than Europeans do, and Europeans are not magically using money saved from defence spending to spend on health. European healthcare is actually cheaper.

Sky-high prices of everything make US healthcare the world's most expensive - The Guardian

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries


Some of the reasons relating to why US Healthcare is so expensive are explained in the video below.



In terms of protecting Europe, the US soends around 5% of it's Defence Budget on Europe and there are around 5% of US active service personnel based there.

Europeans are also very generous in terms of foreign and developmental aid and spend more than three times as much on overseas aid than the US spends on it's military presense in Europe.

List of development aid country donors - Wikipedia

Development aid - Wikipedia

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Old 10-16-2018, 05:53 AM
 
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They deserve every penny. Look deeper into the health/industrial complex for your answers.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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CEO's make over 300x more income than workers.
Top CEOs make more than 300 times the average worker | Fortune

But you will never hear a republican complain about CEO pay, instead republicans attack athletes and doctors for being overpaid (while they fight for further tax cuts for CEO's.)
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/63439...-gains-tax-cut
You should preface your comment with "some" CEOs make 300 times the average worker. By and large this is
a VERY misleading statement. The vast majority of CEOs manage small companies and may even have partial or full ownership....they don't make anywhere near your claim.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Firstly I don't see anyone harping on, indeed why should people outsode the US even care about US Healthcare, it's a US domestic issue.

Secondly America spends a lot more of healthcare than Europeans do, and Europeans are not magically using money saved from defence spending to spend on health. European healthcare is actually cheaper.

Sky-high prices of everything make US healthcare the world's most expensive - The Guardian

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries


Some of the reasons relating to why US Healthcare is so expensive are explained in the video below.



In terms of protecting Europe, the US soends around 5% of it's Defence Budget on Europe and there are around 5% of US active service personnel based there.

Europeans are also very generous in terms of foreign and developmental aid and spend more than three times as much on overseas aid than the US spends on it's military presense in Europe.

List of development aid country donors - Wikipedia

Development aid - Wikipedia
So many Canadians in their typical pretentious fashion, love to harp on about how much better it is up there and how their "free" health care is so great. It gets on my nerves. Mind your business. If I wanted to live in a borderline Socialist country where it's -5 degrees for 9 months out of the year, I would jump at the chance and move to Canada. I don't go to Canada forums and tell them their healthcare is a disaster.

That video might as well be Scooby Doo. Vox? How bout I post a Brietbart video to "educate you" on how Socialism doesn't work? (Or just look at Venezuela.) Let's at least post a neutral video for "facts".

And about your other point about Europe spending less on healthcare?

One word--O-B-E-S-I-T-Y. Hate to say it, but the stereotype of fat, lazy, unhealthy Americans, well-- there's a fair amount of truth in that. Europeans are far healthier.

And the 5% we spend on protecting Europe would exponentially grow if, say, something like WW2 happened again. Europe is safe because of us. All of our Allies are.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Only specialists could even be considered overpaid. Primary care physicians are hard to come by in large part because of how little they are paid when you account for the schooling costs, malpractice insurance, office costs, etc.
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