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Old 09-06-2018, 12:54 AM
 
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I want full Socialism, but it’s unlikely to ever happen.
Then move to Venezuela and enjoy.
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:24 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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These are problems that will not be solved with socialism.

Socialism is outcome based economics in theory - when at its best is Russia, and at its worst is Venezuela.
In the next 15 years robots could take 38% of our jobs. And the number of jobs taken by robots will keep increasing.
Report finds 38% of US jobs will lost to robots by 2030 | Daily Mail Online

What happens in the future when robots take over 50% of our jobs?

How will the 50% of the population without jobs get housing, transportation, utilities, food, and medical services?
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Take your COMMUNISM and start a new country in Antarctica!
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Old 09-06-2018, 04:15 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Right, because the world has plenty of evil people who would support this evil ideology.
Which society is evil, a. or b. ?

a.) A society that equally shares all resources.

b.) A society that allows a few people to own the majority of the resources, while many people live in poverty and don't receive medical care.
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Old 09-06-2018, 04:28 AM
 
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I should be able to live my life as I want and be able to go to Starbucks daily and eat out nightly with friends. If I cannot pay for all that, my student loans on my feminist dance theory degree, and travel freely, spending money as I wish and get ahead, that is not my fault.

Someone else should be paying for my services, so I can live my life as I want!
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Old 09-06-2018, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Capitalism = Freedom

Socialism/Communism = Oppression
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Old 09-06-2018, 06:43 AM
 
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But you refuse to call a right to health care and a right (to) housing socialism.
There is no right to that which the labor of others produces, and if there were, it wouldn't be socialism that creates that "right", it would be slavery.
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Old 09-06-2018, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Which society is evil, a. or b. ?

a.) A society that equally shares all resources.

b.) A society that allows a few people to own the majority of the resources, while many people live in poverty and don't receive medical care.
Countries which label themselves as Social Democracies do not choose between those two options.

They have free market economies which ensure than successful people can enjoy the fruits of their success. Sharing everything equally simply does not work. It kills all motivation to do anything more than what is mandated by law. I'd hate to live in such society.
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Old 09-06-2018, 07:05 AM
 
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This term floating around of 'democratic socialism' is really a misnomer. The countries often referred to, such as the Nordic countries aren't socialist at all.

These countries have open and free capitalistic economies, with private ownership of the means of production, banking, lending, housing, etc. Under a socialist economy, these things would be in the collective hands of the government.

What these and other European countries do have is a well developed welfare state and safety social net with higher taxation and more wealth transfers. This safety net along with public education, roads, the military, etc are NOT socialism.

It seems many are very confused today. If Bernie and others are advocating for the latter, such as a more well developed safety net, then that is not a very scary thing. However, if they are calling for state ownership of factories, banks, etc, then that is a very scary thing indeed as can be witnessed in North Korea or Cuba.
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Old 09-06-2018, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is no right to that which the labor of others produces, and if there were, it wouldn't be socialism that creates that "right", it would be slavery.
About 40% of what I make has always gone to the government, but I am not a slave. A slave does not get paid a salary, and nor do they get to keep anything they produce.

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