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Gays don't deserve marriage benefits from society, straights do or at least I have no real objection to widowed or divorced housewives and mothers getting benefits.
So does that mean infertile couples who get married don't deserve tax breaks either? Just making sure...
So does that mean infertile couples who get married don't deserve tax breaks either? Just making sure...
Or people who have been divorced and remarried. That's a sin and therefore they shouldn't receive tax benefits. Republican evangelicals seem to forget that Jesus talked a lot about adultery/remarriage but didn't even mention homosexuality.
People complain and complain about identity politics yet they lose their mind at even the slightest criticism of our institutions and establish norms. The flag, the military, the police, the national anthem, our history, the church, cultural traditions, and our elected officials (funnily enough only when Republicans are in charge) are like sacred cows which cannot be criticized. Yet, that speech is protected by the First Amendment and my personal belief is that forced patriotism isn't a good thing. People shouldn't salute the flag and reverence our institutions because they are forced to but because they want to.
So how is conservatives throwing a fit about perceived disrespect or disregard for our institutions any different from social progressives becoming vocally offended about things like Chick-Fil-A or the Robertson [Duck Dynasty] family? Conservatives believe that the left is forcing a PC agenda on them but aren't they forcing their own agenda in the same way?
No. Nobody is forcing anybody to be patriotic. Nobody is saying you can't criticize anything. Nobody is saying you don't have the freedom to criticize anything you choose to.
Or people who have been divorced and remarried. That's a sin and therefore they shouldn't receive tax benefits. Republican evangelicals seem to forget that Jesus talked a lot about adultery/remarriage but didn't even mention homosexuality.
My take is they are going by the passage in Leviticus but that's in the Old Testament so even as a Christian you don't need to go by the Old Testament because that was part of a different society than today.
I don't even know if it means homosexuality because that old language is confusing but even if it does those were very different times. It's like pretending the earth is flat.
People complain and complain about identity politics yet they lose their mind at even the slightest criticism of our institutions and establish norms. The flag, the military, the police, the national anthem, our history, the church, cultural traditions, and our elected officials (funnily enough only when Republicans are in charge) are like sacred cows which cannot be criticized. Yet, that speech is protected by the First Amendment and my personal belief is that forced patriotism isn't a good thing. People shouldn't salute the flag and reverence our institutions because they are forced to but because they want to.
So how is conservatives throwing a fit about perceived disrespect or disregard for our institutions any different from social progressives becoming vocally offended about things like Chick-Fil-A or the Robertson [Duck Dynasty] family? Conservatives believe that the left is forcing a PC agenda on them but aren't they forcing their own agenda in the same way?
Thanks to our Constitution, we still have the freedom to participate in a public display of patriotism or not.
All this could be resolved by creating a country where everyone wanted to salute the flag and say the pledge. Sadly, we are nowhere near that utopian goal. Somehow, Trump doesn't inspire me in that direction in the least, because I believe him to be a con man and a crook. When Obama was president, there was the same dissention by people who were aghast that an African-American man was the Leader of the Free World.
Finding common ground will require compromise. Are we still capable of it...?
Well why do they get an exception? Nobody chooses to be gay just like nobody chooses to be infertile.
I don't accept your premise. The population group of traditional married couples tend to have more housewives and children and widowed or divorced mothers and grandmothers who outlive their husbands. There was no need to make exceptions against members of the group. Same-sex is not the same thing. Why do you keep splitting hairs and pushing an anti-Christian and pro-gay agenda on me?
Thanks to our Constitution, we still have the freedom to participate in a public display of patriotism or not.
All this could be resolved by creating a country where everyone wanted to salute the flag and say the pledge. Sadly, we are nowhere near that utopian goal. Somehow, Trump doesn't inspire me in that direction in the least, because I believe him to be a con man and a crook. When Obama was president, there was the same dissention by people who were aghast that an African-American man was the Leader of the Free World.
I agree with this completely. Patriotism shouldn't be forced but it should be something that people want to partake in. I was very patriotic under Bush, especially after 9/11. I was also very patriotic when Obama was President. Under past Presidents I have been critical of what seems like a lack of patriotism from the Left.
However, nothing about Trump or the current direction our country is going in inspires me to be patriotic. I won't salute the red white and blue for its own sake.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
Finding common ground will require compromise. Are we still capable of it...?
And herein is the problem. Barry Goldwater predicted this decades ago.
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
I don't accept your premise. The population group of traditional married couples tend to have more housewives and children and widowed or divorced mothers and grandmothers who outlive their husbands. There was no need to make exceptions against members of the group. Same-sex is not the same thing. Why do you keep splitting hairs and pushing an anti-Christian and pro-gay agenda on me?
I have no idea what you're even saying anymore but if you want to you can forget about me being anti-Christian (although I wouldn't necessarily say I'm that either I don't believe in organized religion in general..just Christianity is what I'm most familiar with) and focus on respecting gay people because if you take a look at that link in my last post your own book doesn't condemn homosexuality.
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