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Old 09-07-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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If anything was going to be a public utility in the future, it would be the Internet itself, not social media. Layers of Internet as compared to phones:

Internet = phone waves (are they waves? I forget, ha.)
ISP = Phone company
Websites..for example Twitter = a company that uses phone service.

Are businesses obligated to listen to you on a phone no matter how horrible you are being? Nope. They may have policies designed towards customer service, but they are not required to listen.

Twitter is the same. They are not obligated to listen to you, keep you as a "customer", etc. if you break their rules.

President Trump is a very specific situation because of the position he holds and does not apply to all.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Not true. It's the fact that Trump is the President of the United States that is the prevalent issue, and that President Trump cannot separate himself from the office he holds. He can't not be the President when he posts on twitter or any social media. He IS the President. The courts recognize that.
Again, the Court's decision created 'public forums' (be it Trump's, Pocahontas' or any gov official's feed) where none existed before.

And just as 'easement by necessity' forces private landowners to allow access to public beaches, Twitter is now forced to allow access to any and all 'public forums' the courts created.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Again, the Court's decision created 'public forums' (be it Trump's, Pocahontas' or any gov official's feed) where none existed before.

And just as 'easement by necessity' forces private landowners to allow access to public beaches, Twitter is now forced to allow access to any and all 'public forums' the courts created.
You can say it 100 times: you are still incorrect.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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Your understanding of what is happening is grossly flawed. Jones' ability to SPEAK hasn't been eliminated in any way.
It is when others that have done the exact same things are allowed to have twitter accounts. Then it is in fact censorship against a specific individual. Not because of what he posts, but because HE is the one posting it. Stunning that people are UNWILLING to recognize this.

People just hate him. So they think it's perfectly OK.

Feelings, not facts. A common theme in today's reality.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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I'd like to bring up that C-D has the same policy of suspending or terminating posters for violating terms of service. I've been censured myself. That's the risk I run if I choose not abide by the rules. And DC is right that this is not an issue of freedom of speech. Jones retains his right to spew his vitriol. He just can't use Twitter as a platform to do it any longer.
Absolutely.

i can't wait for twitter to ban the rest of their users who behave in a similar manner.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:39 AM
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See, the reason dems support the players in the NFL issue and the owners in the Alex Jones issue, is because Alex is a hateful jerk who serves no purpose, and the players are protesting a valid issue serving a purpose. Ownership reserves the right to decide in both cases, we just want them to know we're not happy about their choice. That the right's cause is Alex Jones vs. a social issue like bigotry is very telling of today's GOP.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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It is when others that have done the exact same things are allowed to have twitter accounts. Then it is in fact censorship against a specific individual. Not because of what he posts, but because HE is the one posting it. Stunning that people are UNWILLING to recognize this.

People just hate him. So they think it's perfectly OK.

Feelings, not facts. A common theme in today's reality.
If that is true, the Alex Jones has a civil case for unfair treatment or some sort of discrimination.

The burden of proof would be on Jones to show posts as vile as his that are breaking Twitter's behavior policies. If they are there, they should be easy to find.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Again, the Court's decision created 'public forums' (be it Trump's, Pocahontas' or any gov official's feed) where none existed before.

And just as 'easement by necessity' forces private landowners to allow access to public beaches, Twitter is now forced to allow access to any and all 'public forums' the courts created.
Twitter is not now forced to allow access to any and all public forums.

President Trump is forced to recognize that anything he posts, anything he says, anything he does, is done as the President of the United States, and that he has to follow laws and traditions that pertain to the office. He's President, not King, and he cannot separate himself from the office when it serves him to do so.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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It is when others that have done the exact same things are allowed to have twitter accounts. Then it is in fact censorship against a specific individual. Not because of what he posts, but because HE is the one posting it. Stunning that people are UNWILLING to recognize this.

People just hate him. So they think it's perfectly OK.

Feelings, not facts. A common theme in today's reality.
No. Jones isn't silenced. He's just not tweeting anymore. There's a difference. You need to wrap your mind around that.
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Can't get good help anywhere these days.
Um no.

I found it odd that there was an entire conversation being built around an accusation with no facts given. Which led me to believe that the people arguing had not done THEIR research. And the fact that no one was answering, weel, I'd guess there are a LOT of people on here that have no idea what happened. Just good I hate him. Shut him up. Because hate, not fact.

Good grief.
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