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Old 09-29-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No, not "the Cop" thing to do, but the Stupid thing to do. If Guyger heard someone in the apartment before she entered, the prudent thing to do would have been to call for backup and waited for them before entering. If she had done so, she most likely might have noticed those details (the apartment number, the door mat) that would have alerted her to the fact that it was NOT her apartment. The entire tragedy could have been averted with one simple phone call.
That is all pointless. She could have stumbled over the red mat. That would have stopped it all. There were a dozen different things that could have changed it all. The young man could have remained seated and prevented it all. the young man could have properly closed the door which would have prevented it all.

The gods of probability ganged up on the Cop and the young man. And none of the dozen of details went in the right direction.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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I generally agree. But how about the bus driver? If the kid died should he do 20 years for manslaughter? He would not here. Worse would likely be a misdemeanor with probation likely.
I haven’t read that post, so I don’t know what the analogy is. If a bus driver or any driver accidentally rubs over someone or kills someone, he may be charged, under state jaws with vehicular manslaughter.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I haven’t read that post, so I don’t know what the analogy is. If a bus driver or any driver accidentally rubs over someone or kills someone, he may be charged, under state jaws with vehicular manslaughter.

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Vehicular manslaughter is a misdemeanor in Nevada. Generally, a convicted motorist is looking at up to six months in jail and/or a maximum of $1,000 in fines. A vehicular manslaughter conviction also results in a one-year license suspension.
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Virtually always probation.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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That is all pointless. She could have stumbled over the red mat. That would have stopped it all. There were a dozen different things that could have changed it all. The young man could have remained seated and prevented it all. the young man could have properly closed the door which would have prevented it all.

The gods of probability ganged up on the Cop and the young man. And none of the dozen of details went in the right direction.
No, making a phone call for backup had nothing to do with the "gods of probability" if it was in accordance with police procedure and Guyger chose not to follow it. Instead she made the deliberate choice to open the door to an abode which was not hers and murder the inhabitant inside without provocation. She chose this.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No, making a phone call for backup had nothing to do with the "gods of probability" if it was in accordance with police procedure and Guyger chose not to follow it. Instead she made the deliberate choice to open the door to an abode which was not hers and murder the inhabitant inside without provocation. She chose this.
Of course. But again that is what a cop does. And after Parkland more so. See how well waiting for back up worked for that cop?

And don't start this silliness that she killed without provocation. She had plenty. But she was wrong. We still should not paint it as a deliberately bad act. It was not. Just tragic error.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Of course. But again that is what a cop does. And after Parkland more so. See how well waiting for back up worked for that cop?

And don't start this silliness that she killed without provocation. She had plenty. But she was wrong. We still should not paint it as a deliberately bad act. It was not. Just tragic error.
We disagree; I will leave it at that.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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The initial reports was that the kid was in critical condition. And there is actually no question as to the legality of the kids crossing...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2530763896980289

All that though is beside the point. Why would a tragic error by a cop be vastly different than that of a bus driver?

The cop was aiming to hit the man.



Was the driver aiming to hit the children?
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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I agree with you. Us civilians are trained to back off and call 911. Cops / Firefighters are trained to move forward towards the problem.

Especially after all the school shootings and 9/11. Cops don't normally back away.

If she had applied any police training, she would have taken stock of her surroundings. She would have called in before entering an unknown situation. She would have rendered aid. She wouldn't have called her boyfriend while a man was bleeding out.



She wasn't applying any police training. Can't use that excuse.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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I agree. Confusion does not give you a license to kill. Watched most of her testimony. To me, she was more interested in saving her behind then the innocent man she wounded. She really did not attempt to do ANY life saving. She turned on the light and OMG, realized she was in the wrong apartment.

She was sexting with her married boyfriend, in a daze, tired from her day and not paying any attention. That apartment complex needs to change some things.

When Jean yelled, "hey, hey, hey," gave me the chills. Seems like that would have been a huge clue to her.

If she would have tried to save his life, I might have a different view. A policewoman should not have been her life choice. Too bad she was a perfect shooter. How did she aim for the heart in the dark?
Yeah, that "3000 hours of training" must have all been at the range.

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Old 09-29-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The cop was aiming to hit the man.



Was the driver aiming to hit the children?
The cop was aiming to shoot a charging burglar. Not true but that is not what the cop thought at the time.

The driver failed to visually clear an occupied crosswalk before turning into it.

Both are tragic errors.
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