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Old 09-14-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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What I'm saying is because of affirmative action females and other "minorities" usually don't have to score as high on tests as a white male or certain standards are lowered for females. Most of the applicants are white males and to make room for more diversity a white male has to score much higher to get one of the slots and is usually scrutinized more and less likely to be given the benefit of the doubt. Besides you are referencing aggressiveness. Her big problem was lack of attentiveness and thinking things through.
You are wrong. Actually males have a distinct advantage in LE hiring because of "veterans preference" there are far more men who have served in the military than women and veterans are placed at the top of the hiring lists. There is no equivalent advantage for females or for minority races/ethnicities without military service.

Claims such as yours usually come from white guys who applied and didn't get hired and need someone or something to blame for their failure.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: 53179
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Oh please. Taking a gun out deliberately & deliberately shooting someone is not an accident. She deserves to rot in hell. I could give 2 shytes that her poor life is forever changed. No sympathy from me. Maybe she’ll suffer some unfortunate “accident “.
You sound just as bad. Yikes.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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You sound just as bad. Yikes.
Shrug, like I said, deliberate action, not an accident. So you can stop with the “accident” nonsense.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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You are wrong. Actually males have a distinct advantage in LE hiring because of "veterans preference" there are far more men who have served in the military than women and veterans are placed at the top of the hiring lists. There is no equivalent advantage for females or for minority races/ethnicities without military service.

Claims such as yours usually come from white guys who applied and didn't get hired and need someone or something to blame for their failure.
Anyone who is a veteran can get veteran's preference. All minorities and women get an advantage worth as much or more as veteran preference that no males or whites get.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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I think that is correct and is manslaughter. I think it is murky that she could be convicted of murder if it was that her intent was self defense.
She could claim self-defense whether she's charged with murder or manslaughter.

You're looking at her entering the apt. and shooting him as a single event. I see them as two events: 1. she recklessly entered the apt., and 2. she murdered him by intentionally firing her gun twice causing the victim's death.

One definition of murder in Texas is when a person intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual. That's what she did.

Anyway, at least they charged her with something more serious than trespassing.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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She'll walk.

That would be the second crime against Jean, but I predict she'll walk.
I think so, too. They're presenting it as an innocent mistake that anyone could make. She thought she was in her apartment and an intruder was going to do harm to her and she felt her life was at stake. You know...because police are vulnerable even in their own homes. Poor thing.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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She'll walk.

That would be the second crime against Jean, but I predict she'll walk.
I feel the same, I hope we're wrong.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Does not look good that she's walking around on bail and they toss HIS apartment.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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She could claim self-defense whether she's charged with murder or manslaughter.

You're looking at her entering the apt. and shooting him as a single event. I see them as two events: 1. she recklessly entered the apt., and 2. she murdered him by intentionally firing her gun twice causing the victim's death.

One definition of murder in Texas is when a person intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual. That's what she did.

Anyway, at least they charged her with something more serious than trespassing.
You have to look at the whole event to determine causation, her knowledge, state of mind and intent. There's no way you can determine what a homicide is other wise. Your argument is if someone shoots someone else and they die, it must be murder. Texas law does define murder as you described but basically the prosecutors are going to have to prove she shot him knowing it wasn't her apartment and he wasn't an intruder to prove murder. They have to show intention in the sense of a guilty mind and not just that she intentionally pulled the trigger.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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Does not look good that she's walking around on bail and they toss HIS apartment.
So no bail for manslaughter? You realize after 8 months till an arrest Officer Noor was charged with murder and bailed out in a few hours. Jean's apartment is the crime scene after all.
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