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Old 10-12-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Shrug. Fetal homicide is often an accompaniment to femicide.
Sometimes. Not always. In either case, the woman's privacy is violated rendering the basis for Roe invalid.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I agree, so why is assisted suicide illegal but killing one's fetus isn't? Both should be protected by the Roe stare decisis of privacy, yet they aren't.
Well, I agree with you. Assisted suicide should be legal nation-wide. For exactly the same reason that abortion is legal. The reason it isn't is simply that it hasn't gotten to the Supreme Court yet. For the very good reason that the anti-assisted-suicide folks DON'T WANT to take it there.


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Furthermore, prosecution for fetal homicide lets the cat out of the bag and violates the pregnant mother's privacy by documenting the pregnancy in public records. Why is that allowed?
???? This is weird. There's a LOT more to the right of privacy than the right to keep your name out of the public record. Most of us understand that privacy includes the right to make as many of your own decisions about your own life as possible.


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Time to revisit Roe. It's flawed.
If by flawed, you mean that the right to privacy it affirms should be extended, then I agree with you.

In Oregon, the state no longer bothers about state standards for abortion. If a woman decides she wants an abortion, she can get one. Whether you or I approve of her reason or not. That's the way it should be, IMO.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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Well, I agree with you. Assisted suicide should be legal nation-wide. For exactly he same reason that abortion is legal.

???? This is weird. There's a LOT more to the right of privacy than the right to keep your name out of the public record.
That IS a very important point, though. Women choose carefully who they tell about their pregnancy. Not even their former college classmates will know anything about it unless the woman has made the effort to inform them. But... BOOM... Fetal homicide case? Now all of the sudden the woman's pregnancy is a matter of public record for anyone to see. No more privacy whatsoever.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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I only read the title of the thread. No and No.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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A fetus is a collection of unfinished parts that are incapable of sustaining life, just like the unassembled parts of a car or house are unable to function as the finished product.
Unfinished parts are not the same as unassembled parts. And unfinished car parts aren't alive, they never will be alive, and they cannot assemble themselves.


In your car-part analogy, the fetus isn't the car parts. The fetus is the person assembling the car-parts into a car. The car-parts in this case being provided by the mother.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Can one be legally charged with murdering a fetus? Yes. Murder. Homicide. That grants a fetus status as a person.
Why isn’t the doctor who performed the abortion prosecuted for murder?
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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You're wrong. It's about the right to privacy regarding a medical condition/status. Women lose that right when a fetal homicide case is prosecuted. Therefore, since the right is demonstrably invalid, the Roe ruling is faulty and should be revisited.
Nope.

Being the victim of a crime does not negate a person's right to make private healthcare decisions or any other rights to privacy we have in this country.

Every day rights to privacy are waived due to criminal, extenuating circumstance, that does not mean those rights to privacy should be eliminated.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Why isn’t the doctor who performed the abortion prosecuted for murder?
State laws have carved out exceptions for them. I don't see how that's Constitutional as it violates the Equal Protection Clause. Roe needs to be revisited. Too many conflicts and problems.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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Nope.

Being the victim of a crime does not negate a person's right to make private healthcare decisions or any other rights to privacy we have in this country.
You're wrong. The issue on which Roe was decided is privacy. That privacy in regards to the woman's pregnancy status is gone as soon as a public prosecutor files fetal homicide charges. It then becomes a matter of public record.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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State laws have carved out exceptions for them. I don't see how that's Constitutional as it violates the Equal Protection Clause. Roe needs to be revisited. Too many conflicts and problems.
I wasn’t aware that States carved out exceptions.... All states?

Regardless, why the hell would they be granted an exception?

Note to Conservatives: remove these exceptions and there will be far fewer abortions
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