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Old 09-18-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Do You think Ayn Rand is a moderately intelligent human being??
No proxies, stand up for your human-hating central core belief: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".


Don't run from it, don't hide from it, don't look for proxies.
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Old 09-18-2018, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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No proxies, stand up for your human-hating central core belief: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".


Don't run from it, don't hide from it, don't look for proxies.
It is one of the greatest quotes ever and is the basis for freedom. Don’t believe me?

Think of material goods and human souls. They are separate in nature. The relationship between the two only extend as far as usage. This applies both to the means of production and the finished product. Giving everyone the freedom of practice based on and to the extent of their own abilities is the quality by which humans existed since the beginning times.

Now our system controls distribution from the top through private ownership (very different from personal ownership) and restricts the freedom of others through control of capital that is not even under operation. This policy of invisible control is the logic by which involuntary authority exists, or otherwise known as the state system. If you want freedom based on natural laws, allow each person to be limited only by their own abilities, not artificially restricted or artificially enhanced.

This system of capitalism breeds authority which forms its own class separate from its fellow comrads. This upper class then exists not under mutual aid, but mutual control. From there you get news propaganda, police enforcement, and private/public relations.

If you want true freedom here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kore...n_in_Manchuria

Humans survived not by the strongest, but by the closest.

Oh and what was Ayn Rand’s quote again, F the poor, give to the rich?
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Old 09-18-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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It is one of the greatest quotes ever and is the basis for freedom. Don’t believe me?

Think of material goods and human souls. They are separate in nature. The relationship between the two only extend as far as usage. This applies both to the means of production and the finished product. Giving everyone the freedom of practice based on and to the extent of their own abilities is the quality by which humans existed since the beginning times.

Now our system controls distribution from the top through private ownership (very different from personal ownership) and restricts the freedom of others through control of capital that is not even under operation. This policy of invisible control is the logic by which involuntary authority exists, or otherwise known as the state system. If you want freedom based on natural laws, allow each person to be limited only by their own abilities, not artificially restricted or artificially enhanced.

This system of capitalism breeds authority which forms its own class separate from its fellow comrads. This upper class then exists not under mutual aid, but mutual control. From there you get news propaganda, police enforcement, and private/public relations.

If you want true freedom here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kore...n_in_Manchuria

Humans survived not by the strongest, but by the closest.

Oh and what was Ayn Rand’s quote again, F the poor, give to the rich?
You are now giving me a word salad that has no meaning. You are operating in a mental haze of stolen concepts, dropped context, non-sequiturs, and fallacious assertions. I am going to choose at this point not to engage, because I would have to literally teach you about philosophy, economics, and politics from scratch. I don’t have the time or motivation. So let’s agree to disagree. Your philosophy is bankrupt, and not only in practice, but as an idea. It is bankrupt and evil from the get-go. Oh, and this is what Ayn Rand said, and this is her central premise:

“I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”


Put that in your pipe and smoke it, comrade.
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Old 09-18-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are now giving me a word salad that has no meaning. You are operating in a mental haze of stolen concepts, dropped context, non-sequiturs, and fallacious assertions. I am going to choose at this point not to engage, because I would have to literally teach you about philosophy, economics, and politics from scratch. I don’t have the time or motivation. So let’s agree to disagree. Your philosophy is bankrupt, and not only in practice, but as an idea. It is bankrupt and evil from the get-go. Oh, and this is what Ayn Rand said, and this is her central premise:

“I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”


Put that in your pipe and smoke it, comrade.
Once you have no rebuttal, you fall back on attacks that were already considered and defeated. Your world view is so skewed by established powers you don't even understand what the concept of freedom is.

I know its mind numbing hearing something that doesn't come from your bubble and goes against what you were brainwashed to think.

Freedom is not ownership, it's practice. Ownership leads to slavery, that is the concept of control, and that is antithetical to freedom.

Ayn Rand was out of her depth wanting power to control the weak, that's not freedom, that's authority. Your bankrupt murderous ideology cannot be supported simply because you have no understanding of anthropology, Science, and the history of human civilization.

But if you want to learn, there are plenty of books I can suggest to you.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It is one of the greatest quotes ever and is the basis for freedom. Don’t believe me?

Think of material goods and human souls. They are separate in nature. The relationship between the two only extend as far as usage. This applies both to the means of production and the finished product. Giving everyone the freedom of practice based on and to the extent of their own abilities is the quality by which humans existed since the beginning times.

Now our system controls distribution from the top through private ownership (very different from personal ownership) and restricts the freedom of others through control of capital that is not even under operation. This policy of invisible control is the logic by which involuntary authority exists, or otherwise known as the state system. If you want freedom based on natural laws, allow each person to be limited only by their own abilities, not artificially restricted or artificially enhanced.

This system of capitalism breeds authority which forms its own class separate from its fellow comrads. This upper class then exists not under mutual aid, but mutual control. From there you get news propaganda, police enforcement, and private/public relations.

If you want true freedom here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kore...n_in_Manchuria

Humans survived not by the strongest, but by the closest.

Oh and what was Ayn Rand’s quote again, F the poor, give to the rich?
You do realize at this point you're debating with someone who's mindset is clearly "My mind is made up don't confuse me with any facts" right?
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You do realize at this point you're debating with someone who's mindset is clearly "My mind is made up don't confuse me with any facts" right?
You mean Marc? Then yeah, I recognized that.

I’m pretty open to debate but people should at least know what they’re debating.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This system of capitalism breeds authority which forms its own class separate from its fellow comrads.

Feudalism, Mercantilism, Socialism and "Communism" all do the same, and that is well-documented throughout history.


Your inability to recognize or admit that speaks volumes.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I love it when progressives post about America’s past, the part where no one alive today is responsible for it.

Next we’ll see a thread opinion piece about America’s civil war “atrocities.”

Despite the fact no one breathing today is responsible for it or the aftermath, all white people are evil and must pay.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Feudalism, Mercantilism, Socialism and "Communism" all do the same, and that is well-documented throughout history.


Your inability to recognize or admit that speaks volumes.
No a classless society is the way, just like in Manchuria.

The USSR wasn't socialist, nor any of the dictatorships that followed.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I love it when progressives post about America’s past, the part where no one alive today is responsible for it.

Next we’ll see a thread opinion piece about America’s civil war “atrocities.”

Despite the fact no one breathing today is responsible for it or the aftermath, all white people are evil and must pay.
Progressives in today's society are obsessed with punishment, and retribution, mainly of White Males due to whatever perceived wrongs they did many, many years ago. Therefore, current White people must pay the price, or as one of the actors said on the tv show "Blackish", do "EXTRA CREDIT" on MLK Day for being White.


If there were actually White Privilege then mixed race people wouldn't all identify as "Black" or African American like they do.
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