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Old 09-09-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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This country is just complete civil war where people enslave themselves attacking people who they think are racist.
I used to admire Hillary Clinton and I hope to God if she runs again she would be her old self where she wasn't for open borders and use to be hard on Mexico for driving their people out into ours.
I don't know if anybody feels the same way.
Hillary just went whatever way the wind blew at the time.

There is an old video of Trump on Oprah making the circuit. He talked about enacting the exact same policies he talks about now.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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She was NEVER for open borders. No one is. Why do you keep believing that lie? She made some passing remark about wanting to make it easier for companies to do business internationally, and Republicans twisted it into this lie that so many have swallowed.

I admire Hillary for many things - she's intelligent, poised, articulate, hard-working ... and most of all, she's made it through the worst unrelenting harassment of any mainstream politician I can think of.
So it doesn't bother you at all that she hired a firm to do opposition research on Trump by a British spy and let them take it to a FISA court to spy on Trump campaign people? It doesn't bother you that she was fed the questions ahead of time by CNN for the debate? It doesn't bother you that she made HUGE money selling out American foreign policy while she was SOS? It doesn't bother you that she deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails? It doesn't bother you that she set up a private server on which she mishandled classified information? It doesn't bother you that the Chinese hacked her server and got her emails on a real time basis?
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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The fact of the matter is that Obama pushed the party so far to the left that all the moderate Democrats were voted out. In order to compete with Bernie Sanders, Clinton had to pivot left. She really wasn't a far lefter, but had to increase her promises for free stuff to compete with him. In the olden days, she would made a bunch of promises and then pivot to the middle during the election. But the fact is, no one could ever really figure out WHAT Clinton stood for except that it was her turn.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: The South
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She was NEVER for open borders. No one is. Why do you keep believing that lie? She made some passing remark about wanting to make it easier for companies to do business internationally, and Republicans twisted it into this lie that so many have swallowed.

I admire Hillary for many things - she's intelligent, poised, articulate, hard-working ... and most of all, she's made it through the worst unrelenting harassment of any mainstream politician I can think of.
I can think of one.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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The worse unrelenting harassment of any political leader, ever, is what Donald Trump has had to go through for the past 2 years.

And the treatment that George W Bush received during his 8 years in office wasn't much better than Trump's.
The king of the birthers and his birther wife? Sorry, Obama went through the gauntlet and Trump was part of it. I could not possibly have less pity for Trump. Time and again we hear from people that have dealt with Trump and they say he is mean and nasty. In fact, Erick Erickson wrote a column saying the things written in the NY Op Ed have been said repeatedly within the GOP. Trump trying to make himself the victim now is the ultimate joke.

Trump and his supporters were relentless in attacking Hillary's looks, age, weight, hair, makeup, pantsuits, cankles in favor of the older, fatter man. Trump even attacked her sexual appeal saying after a debate that she passed in front of him and he "wasn't impressed". Evangelicals attacked the woman that kept her family intact and elected the man who left two families for a third with a history of cheating.

Hillary wouldn't win another Democratic primary but it doesn't mean she wasn't treated badly. The truth is, 2016 demonstrated that the GOP has no shame with regard to its treatment of women. By the way, Trump's political positions have changed dramatically.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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The worse unrelenting harassment of any political leader, ever, is what Donald Trump has had to go through for the past 2 years. And the treatment that George W Bush received during his 8 years in office wasn't much better than Trump's.
How conveniently you ignore the fact that Hilary has been enduring it since the 1990s.

How conveniently you ignore that no one was shrieking "String him up!" at Bush.

How conveniently you ignore that Trump evades any accountability as much as possible, but Hillary has been put through multiple investigations. How many hours did she spend in Benghazi hearings?
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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100% Incorrect. This was a speech that Hillary Clinton gave to Brazillian bankers as US Secretary of State working for Obama. (and she got paid for the speech too)
"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere,"
Doesn't get any clearer than that.
We can thank Wikileaks for exposing it. They tried to keep it secret. Of course, not brought to you by the lying CNN.
It was a speech to BANKERS discussing BUSINESS "borders," not physical people walking across physical borers.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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These people sure dontmiss the Clinton crime family

THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:52 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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These people sure dontmiss the Clinton crime family

THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
They don't miss it because it isn't real.

Your screen name is fitting.
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Old 09-09-2018, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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We are not in a civil war.
I never admired Hillary Clinton, not once.
She was never for open borders.
She's not running again.
She's a loser.
I agree. While I appreciated her efforts to stay in the race back in 2008 despite calls for her to drop out, I have never admired Crooked Hillary. She's way too crooked and a warmonger for me to admire her. Too many people died on her watch/via her votes. Note, speaking of dying via her votes, I'd have less of a problem with Hillary if she stood by the Iraq War vote as the best based on available intel at the time. Instead, she says it was a "mistake" and yet had the nerve to ask for our votes for POTUS. Sorry, but if you made a self-admitted "mistake" where over 5,000 servicemembers died as a result, you've disqualified yourself from holding the office of POTUS; people lose their jobs for far less.
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