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Old 09-09-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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They killed them with planes actually, and we changed the rules about what could be brought in planes afterwards. We didn't say, "well what if someone brings a hammer", we identified a problem and addressed it. On a separate note, there isn't much gun violence on planes, wonder why that is.

Air Travel one falls under private organizations, and second the airlines have very strict screen process to find if a person is caring a weapon. But the terrorists took control of the planes with utility knives.


And you are correct after that attack no longer are people allowed to bring pocket knives or other small knives as carry on's to a plane.

 
Old 09-09-2018, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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When did I ask you to turn over your guns? If being open to finding solutions through possible regulation and not pretending that guns and knives are the same thing makes me anti-gun, I guess I am anti-gun in your view. I don't see it that way, but I won't tell you how to feel
I didn't say anything about you. I said the anti-gun argument sounds hollow because it is only selectively applied when it hurts the Republicans. No Democrat of any major city has ever been taken to task why he or she cannot round up illegal guns.
 
Old 09-09-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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I believe since 9/11, knives are in fact banned on airplanes, correct?

So its official, is that it ?
Banning official works until it doesn't. The same kind of tool is used again in a different setting.

It was unofficial for a long time that no one should fly planes into buildings. Its still an unofficial idea.
We didn't ban buildings or planes or pass any new laws saying lets not do that. We went in a completely different direction to prevent it.

We went after the tool use to gain access to the cockpits. The sharp instrument hand weapons and once again we are right back to people being attacked with sharp instrument hand weapons. We did other things too. Some we are all to familiar with.

The only gun likely involved in this attack was carried by the police who stopped the attack and its unclear if they fired one or if the possibility they might was enough to effect the arrest. So lets blame the guns again.

The crime isn't the problem. It always the gun. So goes the argument. Complete nonsense but the fixation of anti-gun mouth breathers want satisfaction even when attacks are committed with a knife.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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When someone knifes 400+ people from a perch in a hotel room, I'll accept comparing gun and knife attacks
I believe the point is more centered around the concept of the effectiveness of bans or limited access to one type of item and then substitution for other means of killing\maiming people.

Ie. Trucks, sabotaging a boat\ferry, arson, poisoning etc. etc. etc.

Just because a knife attack in this instance had a lower body count than another incident is moot.

History is littered with accidents that killed hundreds if not thousands of people.

I think that some people don't understand that terrorists aren't stupid and will try to re-create those "accidents". (Some weren't accidents)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire

There's a huge long list just on that topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tructure_fires
 
Old 09-10-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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When someone knifes 400+ people from a perch in a hotel room, I'll accept comparing gun and knife attacks
Yes. Zero comparison. Note 7 injured! Instead of 7 dead.

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Good thing white people, such Americans, never go on killing sprees... oh, wait... happens so often these days it barely makes the news for more than a day.

Ah, right-wing logic, where if a brown person stabs somebody with a knife, we need to kill all the brown people, but if a white person kills some people with a gun, we need more guns... to shoot brown people.
Exactly. Cognitive Dissonance at it's finest
 
Old 09-10-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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9/11 wasn't good enough for you ?
That only killed 3000 Americans, american Leftists want to get that into the millions.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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That only killed 3000 Americans, american Leftists want to get that into the millions.
It's false words like this that diminish your credibility on all issues.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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It's false words like this that diminish your credibility on all issues.
I agree with you.

However, in the very post before that you affirmed the following posters comments.

You think that this type of rhetoric is any better than TT's over the top comment about liberals?

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Ah, right-wing logic, where if a brown person stabs somebody with a knife, we need to kill all the brown people, but if a white person kills some people with a gun, we need more guns... to shoot brown people.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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That only killed 3000 Americans, american Leftists want to get that into the millions.
A leftist turned me into a newt!

I got better, but that's not the point.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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When someone knifes 400+ people from a perch in a hotel room, I'll accept comparing gun and knife attacks
So it isn't the fact of a person killed or injured, it only is a concern when the count is night enough?
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