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War is so popular, the draft was stopped. Public opinion stopped the VN war. The end of WW1 and 2 were celebrated. WW1 was called the war to end all wars.
Would help if Europe took responsibility for its neighborhood.
Obama and euros need to re-read teddy Roosevelt's words, it's not, 'speak softly and carry a big schtick'
Obama was good like that, allowed the slaughter of the majority Christians in the middle east by a jv team.
Obama allowed Putin to annex crimea while the EU met in Brussels to prepare a statement expressing their indignation.
Obama said it took political courage not to follow up on his red line threat all to please putin and allow him to gain a foothold in the middle east. We have unrecognized enemies, by Obama, expanding their influence and territory for nefarious intent. Is the EU going to step up and sacrifice their socialism for their defense? I think not. Ultimately the correction falls to the US which is put in a pay me now or pay me later situation, where the interest rate is higher if action not immediately taken. Interestingly the action taken is not very often clashing troops, it is strategic diplomacy backed by strength.
The world ignores festering wounds in their neighborhood until it threatens their existence and then the US is expected to flush the advanced infection using much more resources than was needed when EU could have addressed the injury.
Oil companies and arms manufacturers do not pass legislation of declare war. Your issue is with the choice you make last election selecting your state representatives. It was seriously flawed.
Note that the primary peddlers of this narrative in this thread (Especially the OP):
A. Justify the invasion of Ukraine and the annexation of Ukrainian territory.
B. Justify the invasion of Georgia and the current occupation of Georgian territory.
C. Endorse the current bombardments and humanitarian crisis occurring in Syria.
Then ask yourselves what those things have in common.
Note that the primary peddlers of this narrative in this thread (Especially the OP):
A. Justify the invasion of Ukraine and the annexation of Ukrainian territory.
B. Justify the invasion of Georgia and the current occupation of Georgian territory.
C. Endorse the current bombardments and humanitarian crisis occurring in Syria.
Then ask yourselves what those things have in common.
I'm a libertarian who despises U.S. foreign policy, hates the fact that my income is stolen from me to bomb people who have never threatened me, and believes this country should be more like Switzerland...
I'm also a paid Russian troll who does the bidding of a strong-arm dictator to ensure many rubles for my vodka and beet soup.
The USA is the empire that replaced the United Kingdom. It is the biggest economy in the world-25% of the world gdp, and the first army in the world to control all the oceans. There is only one way it can continue to have power, that is to keep every country at each others' throat. The British made the borders in the middle east so they have a reason to kill each other, all they need is arms and some money (the US have lots of it). Same with India-Pakistan, Russia-Europe, etc. etc.
The British didn't make all the borders in the middle east, we took some areas of the Ottoman Empire which had fought on the Germans side in WW1. This was part of a League of Nations Mandate, which today would be known as a UN Peacekeeping force. The French and Russians took over other parts of the Middle East and it should be noted that the most controversial partition in the Middle East was that of Palestine and the creation of an Israeli state in 1948, the UK being the only western country not to support such a partition.
Bingo. War is our default position. Americans LOVE war, and they love having an enemy.
We weren’t like this before the Cold War. We damn sure are that way now.
I think we've been that way since the late 1800's and most assuredly since the Spanish-American war which pretty much marks the start of our empire building phase.
A lot of other countries are the same way, just lack the opportunity\ability to act upon it as frequently. Nukes are the only thing that's ever successfully stopped Europe from near constant warfare since the weapons of choice were sharp stones tied to the end of sticks.
I'm a libertarian who despises U.S. foreign policy, hates the fact that my income is stolen from me to bomb people who have never threatened me, and believes this country should be more like Switzerland...
I'm also a paid Russian troll who does the bidding of a strong-arm dictator to ensure many rubles for my vodka and beet soup.
Is that what you were leading towards?
A historical revisionist and apologist for past and present aggressions by any nation/group designated an adversary of the United States merely because of your absolutist belief that every enemy is a manufactured boogeyman and that every act of bloodshed is deliberately distorted by the powers-that-be to sell war.
For you to acknowledge that any involvement of U.S. forces in any conflict was ever justified or necessary or unavoidable is, in your mind, to set a precedence that there can be justifiable circumstances for future American military actions (A concept you won't touch with a ten-foot pole and radiation suit) therefore you conjure up some alternative judgment of events that absolves all but the United States of responsibility; i.e. Hitler and Naziism wouldn't have existed if not for U.S. involvement in WW1.
I'm "leading towards" the fact that libertarians are often-times inconsistent in their supposed pacifist stance and usually because they wrongly believe that by acknowledging that Bashar al-Assad, for example, is a butcher committing war crimes in Syria or that Russia illegally annexed the territory of a sovereign nation that they're "buying in" to a propaganda campaign that will eventually lead to conflict. Just because you accept that a foe of the United States exist and has committed an act of illegal aggression doesn't obligate you to "beat the war drums" or want American involvement.
Look at all the people in the background causally excusing the butcher of children and the illegal destruction of Beirut. They don't have any ideas about their own country's terrorist actions.
The British didn't make all the borders in the middle east, we took some areas of the Ottoman Empire which had fought on the Germans side in WW1. This was part of a League of Nations Mandate, which today would be known as a UN Peacekeeping force. The French and Russians took over other parts of the Middle East and it should be noted that the most controversial partition in the Middle East was that of Palestine and the creation of an Israeli state in 1948, the UK being the only western country not to support such a partition.
I did not mean it made all the borders, but it was the main player. From your second link: Even if Britain and France had set out to divide the Middle East with the best of intentions, which admittedly they did not, it’s far from clear how they could have done better.
The example of israel and palestine is just another of dozens. France and the US, just continued what Britain did in India and all over the world. KEEP THEM FIGHTING. The strategy is as old as war.
Again, there are other players but the US/UK are the main agitators, funding "rebels", "humanitarian rescuers", and sometimes they don't even pretend and fund terrorists in the open.
Remember when Saddam Hussein was good friend with Washington, Iraq and Iran where fighting each other. At present, Washington with all his soldiers, money and subcontractors have not been able to install a government hostile to Iran.
Eventually this exploiting of war and death will come back home, I'm talking about Europe. You can see this after the attempted coup in Turkey. Pushing Russia and Turkey to the limit will cause them to attack first and that's exactly the plan.
It's all out in the public. Just listen to George Friedman from stratfor. Supposedly an publishing company, in reality an intelligence agency.
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