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Old 09-20-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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You know full well there are groups of people who do the exact opposite and shield their children from all those things, sometimes as members of religious sects, sometimes by simply separating themselves from society in nonconformist ways. You're understating the ability of adults to control the environments of their children.

God does not make people behave in evil ways. Man chooses that and giving man that choice is akin to the decision you make to allow your children to make choices that may harm themselves even though you could prevent them from entering into those situations.
God is all-powerful. He could remove evil from the world. Giving man the choice to be evil doesn't serve any moral purpose. How could it?

 
Old 09-20-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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God is all-powerful. He could remove evil from the world. Giving man the choice to be evil doesn't serve any moral purpose. How could it?
It gives God--that all powerful being who supposedly loves us all--a way to decide which of these creatures he created and put in various places across the globe will get to dwell in everlasting joy, and which of them, (many through no fault of their own if they are in places where they never get exposed to him or his son) get thrown into the hell fires for all of eternity.

But remember, God LOVES US ALL! He just apparently has no problem throwing people he loves into eternal damnation.

Oh, and by the way, it seems the 10 Commandments are not really commandments, they're just for show. You can break all of them throughout your entire live, but say a few magic words on your deathbed and you're good to get on the express elevator to heaven.

So go out and have a ball. Lie, cheat, fornicate. You won't be held accountable for it at the end. And that explains televangelists and evangelicals and all other phony "Christians" to a T.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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It gives God--that all powerful being who supposedly loves us all--a way to decide which of these creatures he created and put in various places across the globe will get to dwell in everlasting joy, and which of them, (many through no fault of their own if they are in places where they never get exposed to him or his son) get thrown into the hell fires for all of eternity.

But remember, God LOVES US ALL! He just apparently has no problem throwing people he loves into eternal damnation.

Oh, and by the way, it seems the 10 Commandments are not really commandments, they're just for show. You can break all of them throughout your entire live, but say a few magic words on your deathbed and you're good to get on the express elevator to heaven.

So go out and have a ball. Lie, cheat, fornicate. You won't be held accountable for it at the end. And that explains televangelists and evangelicals and all other phony "Christians" to a T.
It doesn't make sense that an all-powerful being doesn't have either the will or the power to make himself known to everyone, and that he will punish those to whom he is not known.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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It doesn't make sense that an all-powerful being doesn't have either the will or the power to make himself known to everyone, and that he will punish those to whom he is not known.
The only explanation is that he is a petty, vain, cruel and narcissistic god. What other explanation could there be?
 
Old 09-20-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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The only explanation is that he is a petty, vain, cruel and narcissistic god. What other explanation could there be?
The "elders" of a community made up stories about a god in order to control the people around them. So the stories have an arbitrary and shifting quality, sometimes contradictory, often reflecting the time period and knowledge of the era and locale (the prohibition against eating shellfish for example), but also reflecting the needs and wants of the persons making up the stories.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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The "elders" of a community made up stories about a god in order to control the people around them. So the stories have an arbitrary and shifting quality, sometimes contradictory, often reflecting the time period and knowledge of the era and locale (the prohibition against eating shellfish for example), but also reflecting the needs and wants of the persons making up the stories.
A practice which continues today. Listen to any evangelical or televangelist (is that redundant?). They use the exact same tactics to control their gullible flocks as the elders of old. Shifting morals that apply to some, but not others, as the objective dictates.

Oh, and don't forget to send money. God needs your cash.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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It gives God--that all powerful being who supposedly loves us all--a way to decide which of these creatures he created and put in various places across the globe will get to dwell in everlasting joy, and which of them, (many through no fault of their own if they are in places where they never get exposed to him or his son) get thrown into the hell fires for all of eternity.

But remember, God LOVES US ALL! He just apparently has no problem throwing people he loves into eternal damnation.

Oh, and by the way, it seems the 10 Commandments are not really commandments, they're just for show. You can break all of them throughout your entire live, but say a few magic words on your deathbed and you're good to get on the express elevator to heaven.

So go out and have a ball. Lie, cheat, fornicate. You won't be held accountable for it at the end. And that explains televangelists and evangelicals and all other phony "Christians" to a T.
It has fascinated me for a long time that the ones who bray the loudest about how Jesus is waiting for them with open arms and how wonderful heaven will be are the ones who are the most terrified of going there to get a hug and confirm it. My own hardshell Southern Baptist family is full of them.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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The only explanation is that he is a petty, vain, cruel and narcissistic god. What other explanation could there be?
That in your limited and blind understanding of the universe you can't possibly comprehend the truth

More on topic: why is it absurd for someone to believe the earth is 6,000-10,000 ish years old because the Bible, never disproven, says so, but it's not absurd for someone to believe a hippo evolved from a rock over millions of years with seemingly no purpose or sense of identity? If you told someone who had no idea what creationism or evolution is, they'd tell you both sound ridiculous
 
Old 09-20-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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That in your limited and blind understanding of the universe you can't possibly comprehend the truth
Yes, I know, God works in mysterious ways. Ours is not to question his capriciousness in setting people up for certain, unavoidable failure and chucking them into eternal hell fire. He has REASONS for that.

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More on topic: why is it absurd for someone to believe the earth is 6,000-10,000 ish years old because the Bible, never disproven, says so, but it's not absurd for someone to believe a hippo evolved from a rock over millions of years with seemingly no purpose or sense of identity? If you told someone who had no idea what creationism or evolution is, they'd tell you both sound ridiculous
You believe evolution postulates that hippos evolved from rocks? Well, that explains a lot.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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That in your limited and blind understanding of the universe you can't possibly comprehend the truth

More on topic: why is it absurd for someone to believe the earth is 6,000-10,000 ish years old because the Bible, never disproven, says so, but it's not absurd for someone to believe a hippo evolved from a rock over millions of years with seemingly no purpose or sense of identity? If you told someone who had no idea what creationism or evolution is, they'd tell you both sound ridiculous
In our limited and blind understanding of the universe we can't possibly comprehend the nature of any sort of god. It is all mere conjecture that cannot be substantiated.

Man created god to explain the unexplainable. Hell was created as a threat to keep the general population in line and keep the collection plates full. Fire was chosen as the medium because everyone has been burned at one time or another and knows what it feel like. The charlatans who foisted this off on their flocks did what they did to maintain power over them. God was created in the image of man to make it understandable for the illiterate masses who had absolutely no grasp of metaphysics and wouldn't understand any other explanation of anything spiritual.

There have been literally tens of thousands of gods created, and there are currently 5,000 of them fighting for recognition. To listen to the followers of any of them, they have the one true faith and all others are false. Christianity is no exception. Jews, Muslims and Christians share the Abrahamic god, but none of them agree on much of anything after that. You'd think any god worth his salt would have explained what he wanted a little better.

You could stand a remedial course in evolution, BTW.
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