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View Poll Results: Is a given SCOTUS justice more powerful than a given president?
yes 29 46.77%
no 29 46.77%
don't know/unsure 4 6.45%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-30-2018, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I believe the answer has to be yes, especially in the current context of a divided court with frequent 5-4 rulings. The justice has a lifetime appointment; the president has eight years max. The SCOTUS can overrule a president, but it's tough for a president to overrule the SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS brought us such sea-change rulings as Citizens United (overturned campaign finance restrictions), Heller (restricted gun regulations) and Janus (restricted public sector unions). What comparable sea-change actions have recent presidents accomplished? The SCOTUS even had the power to overturn Obamacare, although they decided not to do so.

The only advantage the president has is that a justice is one of nine, whereas he is 'one of one' (if you will).

The obvious question is whether this is a good situation, and what might be done to even the scales. From everything I've read about the framing of the Constitution, this was not what the framers intended. If anything, they would have wished that the legislative branch be 'first among equals' (if you will).

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Old 09-30-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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We have seen time and again the courts overturning Trump's decrees. Yes.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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Not just Supreme Court Justice but any federal judge or any judge is more powerful that the President or executive branch and legislator when they are not originalist and so override the will of the executive and legislator.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:38 PM
 
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The system put in place by those a couple of centuries ago made sure that no one has unchecked power. It is designed into our system... along with the electoral college.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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The system put in place by those a couple of centuries ago made sure that no one has unchecked power. It is designed into our system... along with the electoral college.
The judiciary has unchecked power as long as they make some mental gymnastic claim that's what the law or constitution means unless the legislator steps in to check it but it never does.

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Old 09-30-2018, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The SCOTUS has become a partisan political body, as evidenced by all the 5-4 votes. They all read from the same Constitution, but the votes invariably and magically line up behind either the Republican or Democratic party positions. Janus and [i]Heller] are perfect examples of this.

edit: and we could add, the confirmation process shows the same. It's like the iron-filings experiments that we all did in 5th grade science class.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:53 PM
 
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A President can make a decision and often needs support from congress.

The SCOTUS makes a decision and its law whether people support it or not.
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:04 PM
 
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We have seen time and again the courts overturning Trump's decrees. Yes.
Obama THE CONSITUTIONAL LAWYER, what a POS !!!
Let us know when Trump breaks the record.

Obama’s Abysmal Record Before the Supreme Court

https://www.cato.org/blog/obamas-aby...-supreme-court

Obama Has Lost in the Supreme Court More Than Any Modern President

https://www.cato.org/publications/co...dern-president
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:05 PM
 
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A President can make a decision and often needs support from congress.

The SCOTUS makes a decision and its law whether people support it or not.
Exactly. Which makes me wonder who said they are less powerful. It's just not true.

The ONLY restraint that has been put on Trump is through the courts. Republicans have not constrained him in the least. Without the courts, the one party rule we have in this country would be a complete dictatorship.
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Exactly. Which makes me wonder who said they are less powerful. It's just not true.

The ONLY restraint that has been put on Trump is through the courts. Republicans have not constrained him in the least. Without the courts, the one party rule we have in this country would be a complete dictatorship.
But Trump has been successful in SCOTUS. Noticed you conveniently left that out. Problem we have are those few Federal courts cherry picked for cases such as the travel ban but then they’re overturned in Trump’s favor by SCOTUS. So, ultimately you’re wrong if you look at final adjudication after all appeals exhausted.
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