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Trump may be the biggest con man on earth but I think your personal hatred of the man misses the point. I don't like a lot of what he tweets and says and ideally he'd act more presidential and let things slide off his back more but love it or hate it that's just not who he is. He is unquestionably a narcissistic egomaniac who is far from a saint. He's a very flawed man to be sure. However, he ultimately should be judged on results and whether the policies he has implemented are helping or hurting the country and whether he has kept his campaign promises, not on mean tweets that may offend or hurt someone's feelings. He's not there to be a therapist. He's there to be CIC and to get results and promote policies that strengthen the economy for all Americans, protect Americans, and protect America's interests abroad. On that basis, he's done a better than average job.
Maybe as his haters say he isn't bringing the country together
and is dividing it but the division in the country isn't the fault of President Trump himself. It takes leaders of good faith and character as well as citizens from both sides of the aisle to help bring the country together. He hasn't struck back against his political opponents in a vacuum either. When one side decides to resist him at all costs without any regard for the good of the country that's not acting in good faith. To suggest that the President bears sole responsibility for suddenly dividing a recently harmonious country is at best intellectual dishonesty. Republicans certainly aren't blameless either and many treated Obama with unreasonable contempt but I dare say no President in history has faced the full scale hatred from a mainstream media, opposing party, establishment political class of both parties, etc in this country's history than this President. Granted, he brings some of that on himself but not the amount he gets. It's way disproportionate to what any president has faced in modern U.S. history.
Not only the hatred of the resist but an attempt to stage a soft coup through the FBI and DOJ. Don't kid yourself. That's exactly what they were and still are attempting to do. Several lawmakers sent a letter to the DOJ and FBI and told them NOT to send the unredacted FISA warrants and info that Trump declassified. That's reprehensible. I hope they all go down.
Full disclosure....I'm a moderate who tends to lean slightly right of center but more Libertarian than anything. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary in the last election and though I would be a tough get for Democrats I'm not a lost cause if they brought great ideas to the table that protected the Constitutional rights they champion and all the other freedoms our Constitution protects. My question to them are what are they offering in terms of policy that would appeal to those who may be on the fence like I was at one point 2 years ago? I'll tell you right now that "RESIST!!!" and "NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!" aren't policy solutions and that will not work and will not win over anyone but the hardcore left wing of the Democratic base. Not only won't will going farther and farther left not work, it will turn off people that aren't already hardcore Trump haters to start with and push support Trump's way. I was very uncomfortable with Trump when he was first elected but have been pleasantly suprised with how he has handled the economy and frankly shocked at how well he has done in foreign relations. That and the media's unprecedented non-stop onslaught of negativity and outright hatred of him and everything he's done has pushed me over the edge. I was still an undecided on Trump as recently as a year ago but now I will happily run to vote for him in 2020 assuming the soft coup attempt to force him out of office or some deranged sky screaming nutcase Leftist doesn't do something crazy to him if the coup attempt by his enemies in the government doesn't force him out first.
So far the only policies and talking points I can see that the Democrats have come up with are rolling back the tax cuts they all voted against, abolishing immigration enforcement by getting rid of ICE, giving Obama all the credit for all the record low unemployment numbers and strong economy, and healthcare for all. The first one is a very, very hard sell and a complete non starter for Libertarian leaning voters like me if you don't also explain how you're going to also cut spending. The second and third are simply non starters altogether. Democrats are severely underestimating the support for either of those ideas among independent voters. Healthcare for all is appealing and would be great except once again there's absolutely no explanation in the Democratic proposal for this when it comes to how on earth it's going to be paid for. The bottom line is that moving farther and farther left and trusting independent and even moderate Democrats to go along with it is not the answer. In fact, the party is losing several moderate Democrats who are disillusioned by the far left socialist wing of the party taking over. The #walk away movement is very real and is evidence of that. The Democratic Party's use of toxic identity politics is losing its power even as the complicit mainstream media tries desperately to convince the public to buy into it. The laughably transparent and shameful last minute hail mary attempt to derail Kavanaugh's SCOTUS nomination with a 35 year old allegation by an accuser who can't even name the year, place, or many other circumstances regarding the alleged assault and won't even tell her story to the Senate Judiciary Committee when given the chance is the icing on the cake. The few million undecided voters who usually decide national elections can see all this nonsense for what it is. The Republican party also has it's Trump haters and Never Trumpers and certainly has played dirty in the past too so they aren't blameless in helping create the toxic political environment in Washington but the Democratic Party has doubled down and gone full on bat#### crazy in their hatred of Trump and anyone who dares support him or even dares to keep an open mind about him. Many who privately support him but won't admit it to avoid the attacks from his haters are out there and any small chance they were not going to be motivated to vote in the midterms is gone after the dirty last minute tricks pulled by Democrats on SCOTUS nominee Kavanaugh. Despite all their crazy deranged anti Trump behavior Democrats still have a very good chance of taking back the House. On the other hand, with an angry base energized by the over the top anti-Trump resistance the Senate staying in Republican hands is practically a given. Barring some major turn of events in the next 7 weeks the Republicans probably add 3 or 4 seats in the Senate.
The original question still stands. What policy solutions are Democrats proposing to win over independents and undecided voters? What do they truly stand for other than "RESIST!!!!"?[LEFT]
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Hey, it worked for 8 years for the GOP. And actually they went further. They OBSTRUCTED and the Tea Party? "Don't Tread on Me" sounds an awful lot like resisting.
Why do you think Trump and GOP's poll ratings have tanked if everyone thinks the left is bat-**** crazy? Odd.
OP, Trump isn't talking to us. We are not talking to you.
"We"? You're part of this Resist movement?
There is a huge difference between normal Democrats and those in the Resist movement. I have zero respect for anyone in that movement. What a disappointing let down if you are part of it.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's going to work. Yeah it does energize the base and many say that's your goal in the mid terms but you are definitely alienating the moderates with Resistance for the sake of Resistance. Yes, the opposing party should resist policies that their voters want resisted but much of the Resistance is just based on destroying Trump and alos harms others in the process.
There is a huge difference between normal Democrats and those in the Resist movement. I have zero respect for anyone in that movement. What a disappointing let down if you are part of it.
How many times can they take getting freight-trained, without going completely insane. It becomes an illusion at some point, in the mental imprint.
How is that different from McConnell saying they would do everything to obstruct Obama when he was first elected, and the Republican's goal was to make him a one term president?
Different rules now that the GOP holds the presidency?
No. It was just as wrong when McConnell said that about Obama. The birth certificate issue was a ridiculous tactic pushed by Obama's opponents, Trump included. No doubt Obama did have to deal with a lot of obstruction from Republicans. No denying that. The difference is that Republican Party didn't have a mainstream media that was 100% on board with promoting and seeking to destroy President Obama each and every day as they arelate withe destroying Trump and the Republican Party by association. Republican voters while unhappy with Obama didn't pledge to resist and deny the fact that Obama was the duly elected president. They instead initially and reluctantly decided to give Obama a chance to prove them wrong hoping he would be asuccessful president and would improve race relations. Sadly, he helped speed up the radical shift left of a once moderate centrist Democratic Party. A party that once championed the middle class to one much more concerned with socialism and identity politics.
I agree with you but I am wondering what good ideas anyone thinks they Democrats have. As far as I can tell, these are there ideas:
Resist Trump and get him out of office
Increase taxes
Give away more free stuff
Demonize police
Allow crime to run rampant
Get an abortion all the way up to the day of the birth
Open borders/abolish ICE
Did I get all of them?
Every Democrat runs off emotion, not logic. They hate Trump, they hate you, they hate me, they love everyone who agrees with them, and they want everyone that agrees with them to have whatever they want at the expense of you and me. They're guided by a God-given moral compass, while claiming there's no God or that, if He's real, he's terrible and petty because He would allow people like you and me to prosper and give us the idea that killing unborn babies is wrong because then we'd have to stop having so much pre-marital unprotected sex. They want justice for all but automatically assume everyone they disagree with is guilty and have no actual sense of justice. They want to never have to play bad cop and tell the hard truth to someone, because it's easier to just 'let you do you'. They claim to be tolerant, but they hate everyone that disagrees with them. I've literally never met one liberal in my entire life who could have a conversation on politics with me for more than 10 minutes without going off on tangents about specific politicians or specific events in their life that are completely separate from the actual issue we're discussing. They live in a fake reality that's insulated from everything else (on purpose) so that they never have to see the truth. It wouldn't be so bad if their ideas weren't a cancer on society
LOL — A neighbor on my road has a huge sign in her yard professionally made with a fancy RESIST!! painted on it.
A few days ago, someone spray painted the word “liberals” under the “RESIST !” .
There is a huge difference between normal Democrats and those in the Resist movement. I have zero respect for anyone in that movement. What a disappointing let down if you are part of it.
Did you just figure that out now? Wow, you’ve not read many of her posts......
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