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Yeah, let's dumb the students down even more than Evangelicals, creationists, flat earthers, climate science deniers, abstinence only advocates and other assorted nitwits want them to be...too funny.
Social Studies class. Teacher discussing how a US President is elected. Popular vote versus Electoral votes. He could not bring up our last election? How a candidate could win the Popular vote and lose the Presidency by Electoral College Vote? Not allowed? Politics? This certainly would bring up Hillary versus Trump. In a HS class if the teacher couldn't discuss it, certainly a savvy teenager might. Sorry, kid, we cannot talk about this. Politics.
You don't want your children to learn how our Presidents are elected? I knew this on my own from watching the Kennedy/Nixon results on TV when I was 11. Wanted JFK to win. Mom, Dad, I need to stay up later to wait for California's Electoral votes come in! They thought I was nuts, as well as my teachers in school. I BROUGHT UP the subject of politics when I was in elementary school. Very interested in it.
Should students be expelled for talking about politics in school. What would you do about that?
The thread title is from the title of the first link. Whether its true or not is open for discussion. It wasn't posted b/c its true or false. It was posted to open the discussion.
Most adults should be able to handle that.
I quoted the comment I was responding to. Not the OP.
But to your point, it seems the title is reflective of what the proposed bill wants to do. I understand the reasoning, and I agree that schools should not be 'teaching' ideology'. That is to say, they should not teach students what to think, they should teach them HOW to think.
That being said, the solution is not to forbid teachers to discuss certain topics, just because conservative (in this case, but it applies to libs too) snowflakes can't handle an opposing view.
Example: Teach that there are at least two theories on how the earth came to be. Science teaches evolution, and here are their basic concepts. The bible teaches creationism, and here are the basic concepts. Teacher should not tell students what to believe, just what theories are out there, and what evidence there is to support it. (for the case of creationism, it is hard to NOT be biased. There is a wealth of evidence for evolotion, and only a book, written by man to support creationism, at what point to we stop pandering to religious idiologs with an agenda? If we are going to teach creationism, then do we also teach gender identity? Communism? Where does it stop?). If asked by a student what they believe, the teacher's response should be that "we just teach the various theories, if you want to learn more, you might go discuss it with your parents, a preacher and a scientist, and then form your own opinion".
Social Studies class. Teacher discussing how a US President is elected. Popular vote versus Electoral votes. He could not bring up our last election? How a candidate could win the Popular vote and lose the Presidency by Electoral College Vote? Not allowed? Politics? This certainly would bring up Hillary versus Trump. In a HS class if the teacher couldn't discuss it, certainly a savvy teenager might. Sorry, kid, we cannot talk about this. Politics.
You don't want your children to learn how our Presidents are elected? I knew this on my own from watching the Kennedy/Nixon results on TV when I was 11. Wanted JFK to win. Mom, Dad, I need to stay up later to wait for California's Electoral votes come in! They thought I was nuts, as well as my teachers in school. I BROUGHT UP the subject of politics when I was in elementary school. Very interested in it.
Should students be expelled for talking about politics in school. What would you do about that?
In Social Studies, Civics, Government, etc class? Sure, unless it is proselytizing or indoctrination, like....
...I recall when my step-daughter (ex, now) was in 1st grade during the Bush/Kerry election, and they were holding a mock election in class. She asked her mom and me who to vote for, and I explained like 5-6 policy points from each in terms a 6 year old could understand, so she could choose for herself. She made up her own mind and chose Bush. Only kid in her class who did, and her teacher scolded her in front of the entire class for doing so and told her to apologize to her classmates. She also had to bring home a note for us to sign.
That incident is what a law (misguided and unnecessary as it is) like the one proposed seeks to stop. I still disagree with the law, but I guarantee I am not the only parent (step-parent, guardian, whatever) who has such a story. Even in Social Studies class, teachers can be wildly inappropriate about HOW they teach.
Yeah, let's dumb the students down even more than Evangelicals, creationists, flat earthers, climate science deniers, abstinence only advocates and other assorted nitwits want them to be...too funny.
Any of those topics you just discussed ARE political. Are you saying they should be taught at school? Or do you agree that school should be for education and not indoctrination.
There are other issues that could of course be discussed.
How about when the Soviet Union adopted socialism, 25 million people died. When China did it, 20 million died. When Germany did so, they started a world war. When Venezuela has, they have gone broke.
Or perhaps teachers could inform students how Hillary Clinton sold 20% of our reserves of uranium to an enemy (or at least opposing) nation. Or how her campaign collaborated with a foreign operative to generate a false dossier attack a campaign opponent. Perhaps how Barack Obama used the mechanism of the federal government to spy on an opposing campaign.
Good luck teaching government/political science/current affairs/U.S. civics/social studies etc etc etc without discussing politics.
Got any stats on that?
Anecdotal, but it's certainly true that certain teachers will "teach" their personal political views (look back to my previous post about election posters, that woman was nuts anyway).
Teaching as I did in a Maryland suburb of DC the views shared were almost always of the liberal/Progressive/Democrat variety. That may vary by region of the US.
I grew up in a very rural, very Republican area of NW Pennsylvania and even 50ish years ago the teachers who pushed their views in class were primarily Democrats. So this issue isn't "new" by any stretch of the imagination.
When discussing politics I was always scrupulous in presenting all sides. That was sometimes in Government class although the curriculum for that class was pretty tight and there wasn't much time to discuss anything that wasn't in the lesson. Other classes, like Social Issues allowed for more in depth discussion.
Another anecdote: the day after the Maryland general election, which saw Republican Larry Hogan unexpectedly win, one of my colleagues spent the day alternating between crying in his room during class and throwing up in the bathroom. His AP class got disgusted and came down to my room so they could get some work done.
Why, to increase the number of future Republicans?
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Got any stats on that?
