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Socialism is the workers controlling the means of production, not state capitalism.
Democracy ranks right up there with the evil that is fascism.
A democracy is three wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.
What many youngsters miss these days is America was never a democracy, was never meant to be a democracy, which is why you see the word "Republic" in our founding documents.
What many youngsters miss these days is America was never a democracy, was never meant to be a democracy, which is why you see the word "Republic" in our founding documents.
We had an old-timer tweet a few years ago that the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. I guess he didn't get the memo either.
Democracy ranks right up there with the evil that is fascism.
A democracy is three wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.
What many youngsters miss these days is America was never a democracy, was never meant to be a democracy, which is why you see the word "Republic" in our founding documents.
This is so true. The discussion between Democracy and Republic has been raging for over 2500 years. It's laughable that still people still confuse the two.
Our founders on purpose rejected the "democracy" model. Pluto even said -- democracy basically sucks worse than monarchy.
Nowadays is pretty clear -- Socialists in US "innocently" use the term "democracy" like parrots endlessly. "Democracy" is just another form of tyranny. That's what they're after.
Everybody is hung up on the means of production. That’s the line of BS socialists have been selling for decades — “see? State does not own means of production; we have no Socialism.”
Marx built the theory of “ownership of means of production.” But that was half the sentence. BS artists leave out the other half.
In Das Kapital, Marx argued that it is necessary to own the means of production, in order to acquire the Surplus Value, aka profit. Marx could care less for means of production. He was after the Surplus Value.
So if Govt can own this Surplus Value via confiscatory taxation, why would it need to own the factories and deal with all that mess?
Many people have had different views of communism and its many flavors. Marx did not invent the term, but he popularized it in the Communist Manifesto.
Even now, in our country we have small communes. Some people call them hippies. The problem with Marx, Kropotkin and many others is that besides theoreticians, they were also activists. This activism pushed them into nonsensical positions, totally contradicting their own theories.
How come it took slave-ownership and feudal societies over thousands of years each to rise, develop, and fall, while it will take Capitalism only a century or two? Especially Lenin -- he developed the theory of ripe conditions...
That's why none of these so-called communist revolutions or communes have succeeded? Capitalism has NOT yet run its course. Maybe 700-800 years later if math is a guide.
Socialism is the workers controlling the means of production, not state capitalism.
Yet even in socialism there are the rich and the very poor. Imagine that. Damn, you just can't seem to get rid of the rich no matter how much you are willing to suffer in your attempt to do it <sarcasm> All you succeed in doing is bringing everyone except the powerful rich down.
Yet even in socialism there are the rich and the very poor. Imagine that. Damn, you just can't seem to get rid of the rich no matter how much you are willing to suffer in your attempt to do it <sarcasm> All you succeed in doing is bringing everyone except the powerful rich down.
Rich and powerful only exist under authoritarian rule. If you only let people control what they directly operate under, the variations of rich and poor would be marginal.
Instead we have a society where one person can have nothing and another can have 100,000,000,000 for doing the same amount of work and people like you have the arrogance to say the latter earned their state guaranteed wealth.
The United States ranks no. 20 on the list. To improve our standard of living, we'll need to adopt more democratic socialist programs to improve our access to affordable healthcare, college, housing, etc. Capitalism + socialism + democracy is the best model to follow and is proven to work in the countries listed. We should follow them.
You are correct, all the countries on the list are relatively socialist. Pure laissez-faire capitalism does not work. Some eastern European countries, after the end of communism, wanted to make a 180 degree turn and to chose pure capitalism without any socialism. It did not bring them any expected success. I know this from experience of my own country.
Maduro's "people" have been reduced to starvation diets and eating their pets while he dines on the finest cuts.
With the recent surge in the popularity of socialist candidates here in the US and especially among the young, one is left to believe the education system is failing to adequately portray socialism for the lethal con job that it is.
I only know of two "Socialists" in public life and one of them hasn't even been elected yet. I wouldn't worry about nationalization of our major industries yet. Many people who get their news from the right wing media have let socialism be defined for them. The only thing that we progressives want is medical coverage, a better shot at keeping a roof over our heads and a few more breaks and rights in the work place. That's not socialism.
The only reason countries like Sweden can do what they do is because of the security generously provided by the US worldwide. They are not pulling their own weight in the global war on terror against enemies of the free world. They directly benefit from the taxes of our citizens and the blood of our soldiers.
If we pulled out they would quickly have to devote all their resources toward the military as the Islamic extremists recapture Spain/the Iberian Penisula and use it as a base of operations to plan and execute terrorist attacks against Sweden and conquer all of Europe.
Our bloated military couldn't even protect 3000 Americans on 9/11 from 19 terrorists armed with box cutters so that terrorism argument is a fallacy.
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