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Originally Posted by greywar
You really shouldn't dismiss the danger Bolton represents to world peace. The man is a threat to world stability.
And manufacturing a incident with Iran would be trivial. We could offset GPS co-ordinates to make the Iranians think we were in their water, then get into a shooting match. After which we provide satellite photos showing it was outside their territorial waters. Bolton is the sort that would think this was a good thing.
Next thing you know non stop airstrikes are rolling into Iran.
Any politician(s) who attempt orchestrating 'Tonkin Gulf II' should be hanged for treason, preferably on the National Mall.
....when in reality, there WON’T be hell to pay and he knows it. That guy sells more woof tickets than his boss.
And speaking of Bolton’s boss, Trump claimed that the Iranians requested a meeting, but Iran’s leader says that they never requested any such thing. So Trump is lying again as usual.
Trump isn’t gonna get authorization for a war with Iran no matter how bad Bolton and Netanyahu want it...and they want a war real bad.
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"Trump isn’t gonna get authorization for a war with Iran no matter how bad Bolton and Netanyahu want it...and they want a war real bad."
The "Last Thing" America needs is another war!!! We've NOT won a war over these decades,and Vietnam and Iraq War should tell us, that this is not the "world it was during World War II', and people of nations will not just submit themselves to America. And we should know, the thought that WMD's as being the answer is absurd!!!
We should realize that by the fact that N. Korea could have enacted great damage to South Korea and Japan, and much else, even if it suffered mass devastation. So, the use of WMD is not an option, nor will the rest of the world stand idle to allow America to use such a weapon.
We have more than $20 Trillion in debt... and a stock market built on nothing but "trading frenzy"... companies continuing to buy up other company and decrease the number of businesses that exist, and that is nothing but a paper shuffle backed by over inflated valuation of the securities used to buy these business.
Someone yesterday mentioned the book 1984, as to the dismantling of so much, as if trying to contain the people, and advance some authoritarian system; while pushing every means to dismantle the U.S. Governance system and destroy its divide of powers. We have a system now trying to distort reality, with conspiracy promotions when Republican are exposed from the agenda they are promoting.
We have areas trying to dismantle history and re-write a fake history.
I actually suspect that the Republican had something to do with the rise of ISIS, because they did not want to pull out of Iraq, and they wanted the mass system of "weapons selling to continue"... It maybe should not be ruled out as to some Right Wing support for the ways ISIS went about destroying "historical relics and artifacts". All followed up by Trump's first agenda of Attacking the Muslim people with his Muslim Ban.
We may need to awaken to the truths, that as a nation that spun the madness of slavery for 100's of years and followed it up with Jim Crow for another 100 yrs... Then how can anyone put anything past what the Right Wing Agenda will do.
We've seen them attack the very Justice Department that is a core foundation component of this nation and its stability. The daily lying, and the daily promotion of every level and type of belligerence, which has promoted a tonality of "contempt" across the nation.
Iran would find more support than the U.S. wants to acknowledge, if the U.S. tries to do anything in Iran.
The world has not forgotten and will not soon forget the massive damages done by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq.
America needs to be careful of the malice of what is Right Wing Ideology, who would have no reserve about creating a way, and remanding our young people as conscripts as a means of population reduction, but it would find and create away where the young of wealthy would not be conscripted.
The world is watching as America rides on fiction, claiming such a booming economy, when poverty is still raging across the nations with substandard low pay jobs, which does nothing but promote a fast decline to communities and the neighborhoods within them. We have blight in every sector of the nation, the infrastructure is crumbling and no plan to repair it... yet, we have an Administration BULLY STOMPING at and Blowing Smoke at our Allies and our non Allied Nations.
We have an imbecile pushing a Trade War, when America does not have a supply chain to sustain Industry, and continue to promote and support "paper shuffling merges and acquisitions", that decimate people, cities, town, and communities as well as businesses.
We are witnessing nothing more than a continual push to try and recreate the Confederacy on U.S. soil, by any and every means, its like the Civil War being continually fought WITHIN our own Congress, by the Republican Confederacy Agenda. We cannot put it past them, to try and create a way on foreign soil, as a distraction while they continue the pursuit of Confederacy Agenda in America.
We better stop believing the everyday madness of "attack anything and everything" in America, then claiming other nations are villains, when they don't submit to American agenda. We are not the Democracy we claim, when we have a buffoon pushing racist divisiveness and a disrespect for out Governance System and Continually Attacking Our Departments, Divisions and Agencies, that make up our governance system.
Our Best Hope is within the average "young people" of today, because they don't buy into the Right Wing Republican led madness. The young people of today are not willing to submit themselves to the wealthy young who want to continue what their parents and grandparents did in bleeding the wealth away from being shared by and with the masses.
Iran has no need or concern to submit itself to America as if we are the "police of the world" and the "dictator over others".
The world has the "United Nations", and it has a NATO Alliance. If there is an concern regarding any issue, then take it to the UN, and address it to NATO.
Iran is at the table, and we saw that yesterday. They are not nor do they need to submit themselves to America... they are part of the make up who sits in representation at the U.N.
Nation's laughed at the buffoon we have, patronizing himself with fake claims before a collective of Nations that know far more truth than to fall for the rambling of a foolishness. They laughed, While we have a bigoted egomaniac trying to push an American White Nationalist Agenda before the League of Many Nation. While everyone sitting in the arena knows exactly what $20+ Trillion of Debt is. They also know the Trade Wars created by the agenda of Right Wing American Mentality is a damaging thing to Global Trade, and being pushed by an Importer Nation of which America has become. Nations in the arena are the exact same nations that "buy our debt", at some point they will begin to "unload it"... and it only takes the slightest ripple in our economy.
They also know at some point the stock market will make a "massive correction" and when it does, it will be a chaos that could lead to the greatest depression America has known. If the U.S. Currency is moved as not being the dominant exchange currency, then the melt down will escalate, and we can't print money as a way out of such a scenario.
Trump likely needs to be quiet about insults directed toward and upon Iran, and stop trying to push the agenda of the ever encroaching madness of Israel in the region. Muslim people will never allow themselves to be dominated by Jewish Agenda. Many of the other nations of the world already understands this.
Civilization existed in this region (when it was known as "Mesopotamia" long before the Europeans invaded America.
We need to learn to try and understand and work with nations and stop the incessant aims to dictate over other nations.
It took China many decades to rid itself of European and America dictations, and now China is strong in the pursuit of standing as itself. This should be a point of Awareness not only to America, but a symbolic point of reference that Nations are not longer submitting themselves to Imperialist Agenda of Western aims.
We should have learned from Iraq, exactly what Saddam tried to tell America. He said, that it is not possible to flip a religious based autocratic type of system to a Democracy overnight, he further told America, during the George Bush 1st, that he was making reforms, but without a strong arm, it would be ruined and descend into chaos. He tried to explain how it would be decades not a matter of a few short years. (Its not about making a claim of democracy, its about a gradual re-education and culture change in how people live, that transforms them toward Democracy)
America should have understood that well, because it still can't transform itself from a period and time of being a vile racist nation, to being one that respects all Americans, as Equal Americans.
Iran is not going to let America have access to Iraqi Oil, and no matter how much America thinks it is buddy up with Saudi Arabia, they too are not going to let America stake claim to Iraqi Oil, and certainly not Iranian Oil. They will never become "Provinces of America"!!! They can become Allied Nations, with strong Diplomatic Relations... But they will not submit their Religion to America's claim of Religion. They stand and watch the Right Wing Evangelical's support every kind of malice and madness, racism and bigotry, and stand in silent support of sexual abuse and the abusers, they are not blind to the ways the make up is predominantly made up of America's white people, who still push and support white nationalist agenda, especially within the Republican apparatus.
America's in general society are not very literate in Geo-Political Matters, they only believe and follow the "Promotions of Imperialist Egotism's from a past history of such".
Post World War II... it was not just America participating in the redrawing of lines, it was a make up of Allied Nations, that did so, with the then Soviet System... America does not have the industrial might it had Pre-World War II, which existed because America was not a land that was under attack. Nor after the World War II devastation of other nations, that crippled their Industrial capabilities. Many nations have long ago regain their ability to Industrialize their Nations. New Alliances have formed and New Diplomatic Relations and New Cooperative Trade Agreements is still being formed by many nations with each other. This stupidity of Trump talking about "America will go it alone" is pure Ignorance"!!!
We cannot go into nations and dictate the access to their natural resources!!! Nations are not longer willing to be underpaid for their resources, not will they continue to submit themselves to American political influence of their system, by making or supporting agreement that is not in their best interest, that is based on mutual benefit cooperative agreements, (which is far more intricate than Trump's aim and pursuit of thinking its just about money).
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The aware and open minded American's will not support another invasion into a sovereign nation in the Middle East.
DIPLOMACY IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, AND TECHNOLOGY GUARANTEE'S THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE PATHWAY FORWARD FOR THE WORLD.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 09-26-2018 at 06:23 AM..
So . . . let me get this straight. In a he said-he said situation, you take the side of an authoritative, oppressive (his regime executes gays and then lies about it, kills political dissidents and then lies about it, etc.) "Supreme Leader" over the word of our president? Got it.
Trump lies about EVERYTHING! I don’t believe a word from that liars mouth!
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Yeah, Iran only lies about executing gays, about killing peaceful protesters, about its intention to develop nuclear weapons (see Project Amad, which was exposed by Israel at the UN), about supplying arms that led to the deaths of thousands of US servicemen and servicewomen in Iraq, etc. But, again, it doesn't surprise me that American leftists stick up for such horrendous regimes over their own country. I don't claim that America is without her problems. But it is nothing compared to many of the countries that I have named and will continue to name.
Invading/occupying countries that've done nothing to you leads to casualties, it's a simple fact of life.
America's job IS NOT to play world cop and worry about other countries' problems, it is to defend itself.
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So . . . let me get this straight. In a he said-he said situation, you take the side of an authoritative, oppressive (his regime executes gays and then lies about it, kills political dissidents and then lies about it, etc.) "Supreme Leader" over the word of our president? Got it.
Whatever anyone else says/does provides no reason whatsoever to not question Trump's credibility which his long history suggests is less than stellar.
If Obama was buying whores when his wife was pregnant would he still be gay in your world?
He didn't ever buy a *****, but he was a regular at the bath houses... He is gay in everyone's world, plenty of pictures and proof has been around.. open your eyes, dem...
Winning in your eyes is skating off the ice with a participation trophy. The rest of the world is not gullible and as easily bamboozled as Trumplings.
Reminder; crying is what you're doing with these silly deflections back to Obama. The rest of us are still laughing.
Laughing to hide your tears because your corrupt hillary lost and the real America won.. Just keep up the comments, we won, and because Trump won, even you losers actually won, you got a great president. Congratulations on your victory..
Trump isn’t gonna get authorization for a war with Iran no matter how bad Bolton and Netanyahu want it...and they want a war real bad.
It won't matter who is president when there's a false-flag attack, because everyone will want to go to war.
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