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Old 09-29-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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The engineering that went into designing the F-35 is truly amazing and they're still trying to re-engineer the thing even after they have already started producing them. I feel the big issue with the F-35, was trying to make it into the "Swiss Army knife of jet fighters", they tried to cram so much into the plane and have it do so many crazy/amazing things, it just made it hard to pull it all off.
Agree.

I've been to that SC base many times. And other pilots will still be flying the remaining F-35Bs. My thoughts and best wishes are with them.
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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That F-35 photo in the article looks like a spaceship.
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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Agree.

I've been to that SC base many times. And other pilots will still be flying the remaining F-35Bs. My thoughts and best wishes are with them.
My cousin was stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort for 3 years in the mid to late 90's. The one time I went to visit him, I got to go onto the base and was able to sit in an F/A-18 Hornet that was being worked on in a hanger (it was leaking fluids really bad).

I'm 6'2" and not really bulky, but the Hornet cockpit is tight, fits like a glove, which I guess was the design. I can only imagine breaking the sound barrier in one of those!
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Old 09-29-2018, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Why is this in the political section?
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Old 09-30-2018, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Why is this in the political section?

The F-35 program has been a political hot potato with even Trump threatening to intervene.

It has cost a vast amount of public money, and there has been some argument as to the effectiveness of the aircraft.

It has been very political and controversial over the last decade, and the crash has been covered across lots of new outlsets across the world.
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Old 09-30-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Most likely pilot error. The F35 has a significant learning curve from other aircraft.

Did you know that most of the tech is built into the helmet? When A pilot puts on the helmet they are flying with a 360 X-ray view through the aircraft. The pilot has to operate the controls without seeing them.
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The article doesn't specify, but my guess is that it was likely practicing a vertical landing. Very tricky maneuver that can get unbalanced and out of control quickly, with infinitesimal room for error.

Back in my day (45 years ago) the USMC was bringing the VSTOL AV-8A Harrier into service and it had those teething issues.
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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The article doesn't specify, but my guess is that it was likely practicing a vertical landing. Very tricky maneuver that can get unbalanced and out of control quickly, with infinitesimal room for error.

Back in my day (45 years ago) the USMC was bringing the VSTOL AV-8A Harrier into service and it had those teething issues.


The Harrier proved itself to be a good aircraft despite the usual teething problems and I am sure the F-35 will.

In terms of STOVL it makes good sense in relation to landing on aircraft at sea and I am sure the F-35 will be a very capable airacraft.

I have heard some criticism of the F-35 however if you look back in history, a lot of projects received such criticism including the Harrier which proved itself during the Falklands Wr of 1982 when 10,000 miles from home, without any nearby airfields and outnumbered by a relatively modern airforce of the time which was equipped with A4 and French Dassault Mirage Jets complete with the latest missiles, and which were only 300 miles from home.

In aerial combat the Harriers destroyed 23 aircraft with the only loses in the air two aircraft lost to ground fire and two aircraft lost in a collision.

There have been many aircraft that came from far stranher beginings than the Harrier, indeed the Royal Navy Blackburn Buccaneer's, which opperating from the Royal Navy's fleet carriers could attack at high speed and low level over a long range with a heavy nuclear payload. The ruggesd powerful Buccaneers capibilities are still fairly unique to this day and the same type of people criticising the Harrier or Buccaneer were no doubt similar to those criticising the F-35 today.

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Old 09-30-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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It is not unusual for new aircraft types to have higher accident rates.
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