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Old 10-12-2018, 11:00 PM
 
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-obesity-plan/


The proposals are part of a Government childhood obesity plan which has proposed calorie counts on restaurant menus, a ban on advertising of unhealthy foods on television before the 9pm watershed, and the removal of such goods from checkouts and two-for-one deals.

Welcome to universal healthcare. I am fine with obese people paying more for health insurance but when its totally taxpayer funded the people think its free the government has to step in and tell people what they can and cannot eat.

Can you imagine that kind of government overreach here?
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:21 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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I couldn't care less what they are doing in the UK. All I know is if they tried something like that here is Suzy Q's are delicious and packed with nutrition. Advertise them at 5 PM or 10 pm and the yummy wholesomeness remains the same. And don't even get me started on Ding Dongs.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:29 PM
 
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Nice, you took the Breitbart title but pasted a link to the Telegraph.

Regardless, I think this a bad idea; there are alternative ways to do this without such an overreach.
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Old 10-13-2018, 12:06 AM
 
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I read the link. Seems the government is trying to stop a growing obesity problem in the nations children. What puzzles me about this, is that my generation also ate lots of fattening food. I grew up eating plenty of pies, and French fries. Drank plenty of full fat pop. Ate lots of candy.

Yet, we weren't fat. Look at videos of street scenes in the 60s in England. Lots of slim people. I would guess you would see the same in American videos taken in the 60s. This problem isn't just about the food we consume.

When I was a kid, the streets were full of children playing after school. Weekends we rode our bikes, and climbed the hills behind my home. Now, I never see kids playing in the streets. They're sat indoors watching tv, playing on their phones, or games consoles.

This is the real difference. Not the food, but the sedentary lifestyle. We had regular gym class at school, and were made to do cross country runs in all weathers. In school break times, we ate our dinner, and then had time to run around in the playground.

I walked to school, not taken by car. This is the real core of this obesity problem, and not just with children.

Even so, I am glad the government of my country isn't just ignoring this. Efforts need to be made to try and help children not become fat, and for those that do, help with losing weight. Maybe Americans feel this is not something government should involve itself in. You seem to just accept your massive problems with an obese population.......fair enough. I am glad to see attempts at stopping this literally growing problem. We're talking about long term health here, and it's an important issue.
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Old 10-13-2018, 12:17 AM
 
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Maybe Americans feel this is not something government should involve itself in. You seem to just accept your massive problems with an obese population.

Fat shaming is verboten in our PC Dem controlled culture.
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Old 10-13-2018, 12:50 AM
 
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Fat shaming is verboten in our PC Dem controlled culture.
Greed seems to be celebrated in America. I have seen telly shows where the host tries to break some stupid eating record. As he stuffs his face, a cheering crowd screams encouragement. When visiting Las Vegas, I saw photos on a casino wall of guys who managed to eat something the size of a baby in less than a couple of hours.

Obesity causes health issues. We have a growing problem in England with type 2 diabetes. We can ignore it, or try and do something about it. I am glad to see my government is trying to change things for the better.
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-obesity-plan/


The proposals are part of a Government childhood obesity plan which has proposed calorie counts on restaurant menus, a ban on advertising of unhealthy foods on television before the 9pm watershed, and the removal of such goods from checkouts and two-for-one deals.

Welcome to universal healthcare. I am fine with obese people paying more for health insurance but when its totally taxpayer funded the people think its free the government has to step in and tell people what they can and cannot eat.

Can you imagine that kind of government overreach here?
Firstly these are reccomendations which have been put forward by Public Health England and have nothing to do with the NHS or Universal Healthcare.

Secondly the calories in fast food and processed oven ready/microwave meals is what is being targeted.

Thirdly this is part of a wider strategy which includes more excercise in schools and other such measures to get the country to become more active, with more walking and cycle routes.

Fourthly the UK already has a sugar tax on soft drinks which is proving sucessful.

Sugar tax is already producing results - BBC News

Finally the UK and Europe alrteady ban many US additives, indeed the ingredients in British fast food such as McDonalds and Subway is already very different to that served i the same chains in the US.

The Government is working with the sector in order to improve health, in order to improve things like salt and sugar levels. It's perfectly sensible and is part of a wider strategy. As for processed soup it has unecessary additives and pften has high salt content.

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Food manufacturers, supermarkets, takeaways and fast-food outlets have been told to reduce the calories in the following foods:
  • savoury biscuits and crackers
  • speciality breads, such as ciabatta with olives
  • cooking sauces and dressings
  • crisps and savoury snacks
  • egg products
  • potato products
  • meat products, such as pies, pastries, sausages and burgers
  • pasta, rice and noodles
  • ready meals and takeaways
  • dips
  • pizza
  • food-to-go, such as sandwiches
  • soups
Britain needs to go on a diet, says top health official - BBC News



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Old 10-13-2018, 04:39 AM
 
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Welcome to socialized medicine.

The government of the UK has a vested interest in restricting their citizens' diets because the government of the UK has to pay their medical bills.

Obesity increases medical bills. So the bill payer wants to cut down on obesity.

No more complicated than that.
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:45 AM
 
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Welcome to socialized medicine.

The government of the UK has a vested interest in restricting their citizens' diets because the government of the UK has to pay their medical bills.

Obesity increases medical bills. So the bill payer wants to cut down on obesity.

No more complicated than that.
Actually it's nothing to do with universal healthcare, and the Government would save more money if people died early due to obesity in relation to pensions and social care. Whilst the vast majority of health expenditure relates to the elderly, so if the Government waned to save money the opposite would apply.

The Government has not introduced legislation in relation to calories they are merely reccomendations from Public Health England who are working with the fast food sector and food industry in order to help improve food and cut obesity levels.

Sadly the processed food in the western world is killing us, and we need to do something about it, and the US has an even bigger problem which effects health in relation to higher rates of diabetes, higher blood pressure, heart disease and even cancer. This in turn is results in lower life expenctancy.

Why do Americans die younger than Britons? - BBC News

English Dave is right, the UK diet in the past was not always great, the difference was a lot of the food was home cooked and free from additives, salt and thigs such as transfats. Even the diet under WW2 rationing is healthier than the one we have now, so I am all for more consultation and action in respect of sectors of the food industry.

Reasons why the wartime diet was good for us | Express.co.uk

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Old 10-13-2018, 05:24 AM
 
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Welcome to socialized medicine.

The government of the UK has a vested interest in restricting their citizens' diets because the government of the UK has to pay their medical bills.

Obesity increases medical bills. So the bill payer wants to cut down on obesity.

No more complicated than that.
Then why is it that the USA, the one country that doesn't have socialized medicine, is more agressively anti-tobacco and anti-alcohol than countries that have socialized medicine?
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