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View Poll Results: How many votes will Brett Kavanaugh get for confirmation in the Senate?
61 or more 14 6.25%
58-60 7 3.13%
55-57 13 5.80%
50-54 144 64.29%
49 or less 46 20.54%
Voters: 224. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-05-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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Bottom line is GOP has little to worry about even if this fails. It seems remote at this point that they don’t win North Dakota and Texas which ensures they’ll stay 51-49 at worst

 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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Fox News just said Manchin is about to put out a statement.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Exactly. But you know what? It doesn't matter. He will be confirmed anyway. By continuing to support Kavanaugh, supporters are saying they will not believe a woman in their lives who says she was sexually assaulted. They will not believe their wife, or their daughter, or sister if there is no "proof." It has to be on videotape, or her friend has to witness it or something. Otherwise, she's just a liar.
That is how a fair criminal justice system works. We are all innocent until proven guilty. What you are suggesting is an emotionally charged type of mob justice, where someone could lie, or inadvertently wrongly accuse an innocent man.

Remember, every person Ford has said was involved in the incident, have sworn under oath that they were not involved, that they never attended any such party, and in the case of Leland Ingram, she has sworn she has never met Brett Kavinaugh.

Isn't is at least possible that Christine Ford was attacked sometime in the 1980s, but that these people were not involved? Are you willing to convict an innocent man, with no evidence and not one corroborating witness for the prosecution?
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Thumbs up FLASH: Senate votes to advance Kavanaugh confirmation to a final vote

In a dramatic midmorning vote, members of the Senate voted to move President Donald Trump's embattled Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh forward for a final vote.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, a key vote, opted not to move the nominee forward. A group of sexual assault survivors, including a gathering of Native American women – a vital voting bloc in her district – had urged her not to move forward with Kavanaugh.

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., also key senators in the confirmation process, opted to advance Kavanaugh for a final vote.

Manchin said he would likely be "undecided" until he walked through the Senate doors, ABC News' Mary Bruce reports.

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kava...ry?id=58303522
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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Manchin is making a statement in moments (and Collins at 3pm), so he may have decided early.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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In a dramatic midmorning vote, members of the Senate voted to move President Donald Trump's embattled Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh forward for a final vote.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, a key vote, opted not to move the nominee forward. A group of sexual assault survivors, including a gathering of Native American women – a vital voting bloc in her district – had urged her not to move forward with Kavanaugh.

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., also key senators in the confirmation process, opted to advance Kavanaugh for a final vote.

Manchin said he would likely be "undecided" until he walked through the Senate doors, ABC News' Mary Bruce reports.

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kava...ry?id=58303522
With Murkowski a no vote this thing is far from decided unfortunately. The democrats tactics might prove successful yet. Then this circus will become standard operating procedure for SC nominations.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Kavanaugh lied under oath!
Gee, only if Sen. Schumer could be made aware of this.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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He's going to be confirmed.

But a good point was raised. So Kavanaugh does an op ed piece admitting his opening statement in the hearing was inappropriate...and trying to justify it.

But that opening statement -- as Kavanaugh revealed -- was written by him, reviewed by him. It wasn't an off the cuff response. It was a well thought out written piece.

As a judge, Kavanaugh is required to write judgments all the time. He has to choose his words, carefully and knows the importance of carefully chosen arguments, and what they sound like.

He purposely chose to come across as he did and then does an op ed to excuse it?

This isn't the kind of emotional standard on want on the Supreme Court.

But -- that doesn't matter -- to Trump and his base -- he isn't guilty, she's a loon -- so he should be on the Court.
By your standards, Ruth Bader Ginsburgh should be expelled.

And I am old enough to remember the great Thurgood Marshall saying rather crazy things during his later years.

Not to mention Kavanaugh was not speaking as a member of the SCOTUS, but as a man. A man defending his reputation and good name.

You seem unable to understand that a passionate defense of one's name and reputation does not in any way disqualify you for the Supreme Court.

You and the rest of the mob want to throw out the tenets of democracy and BK and the rest of us are supposed to smile and do nothing?

Get real.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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And you call her a liar, why?
Ehy?


She CLAIMED UNDER OATH to have WITNESSES to her alleged attack.


Not ONE of them SUPPORTED HER CLAIMS. Even her BEST friend denies the allegations Ford made.
 
Old 10-05-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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As a judge, Kavanaugh is required to write judgments all the time. He has to choose his words, carefully and knows the importance of carefully chosen arguments, and what they sound like.

He purposely chose to come across as he did and then does an op ed to excuse it?
What about the 300+ judgments that he's actually written and provided to the committee? You want to base him on a single op-ed but the people who matter have more than enough evidence to prove that he's a great and impartial judge.
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