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Originally Posted by Rocko20
Yes I consider him to be black. He's as black as Caitlyn Jenner is a woman.
Sorry, you don't get to mismatch social constructs because one is too bizarre than the other.
Pandora's box has been opened and this is what you get: white people who self-identify as black people and vice versa.
If he wants to put "black" on his census, job applications, college applications, etc. then he has 100% every right to do it.
As a black man, my community should be more than happy that white people are opening to embracing black culture. All we do is whine about the whites on the opposite spectrum (alternative right, extremists, conservatives, etc) who outright refuse to embrace anything about black culture.
Oh the irony that we blacks would be so offended by this when this is what we ask for (more whites to understand and relate to blacks) every single day
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I have quoted you several times because while I do not fully understand your view, I find it interesting.
To start we agree on the basics, especially with the Bruce Jenner example.
The guy in the story is probably not doing anything in his life related to being black (i.e. food, music, dress/style, etc.) and just intends on using his test to try and break through the AA rubbish of getting a contract based on race.
As to whites being more willing to embrace black culture, this I need to ask a few questions about.
Back in the day, black culture, say in the 1950's seemed to be very similar to American culture regarding love of family, God, country, etc.
Most black folks my parents knew talked about the exact same things everyone else did. How is little Johnny doing in school, needing a new roof on the church, issues within a marriage, you name it.
From an entertainment standpoint many whites appreciated Jazz, Blues, and adult contemporary from black artists because of their talent. This was not even considered accepting black culture because it was more the norm than viewing it as outside the mainstream.
So my question relates to what you said about it being good that whites are more accepting of black culture. What specifically are you referring to?
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Originally Posted by Rocko20
Dumbass? She did more for the black community than other blacks do for the black community.
A white person who embraced, supported, and worked for the black community. Oh the horror. 
Last time I checked, blacks are always complaining that not enough white people are understanding, accepting, and tolerant of black culture yet here were are chastising a white person who was. |
I think you took that posters comment wrong. Dolezal as a white person could have done XYZ just as easily so long as the powers that be allowed her to within groups like the NAACP.
Instead, what they/people mean about her being a kook was pretending to be black, trying to change her appearance to look black (think Michael Jackson in reverse), and claiming she was black. When I first heard about it I didn't know or care, as she might have been a mulatto for all I knew. However when he white parents came out and said she was totally white and showed pictures of her pre-identifying as black, it became clear she had a few screws loose.
The same is obviously true of MJ which of course ended very sadly.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
I did answer you. Black folks know what makes someone black. We know our own people.
If you were black, you’d know too. But you aren’t, so there’s no need for you to bother with it. Bottom line is we’re not gonna let you shoe horn someone into our community that doesn’t belong here. We say who is and isn’t black....not outsiders.
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I even forget what context the poster you replied to meant their comment.
Regardless, the black folks that I know and feel comfortable hanging around embrace the same values regardless of the color of their skin. They work, send their kids to school, and appreciate living in this great country.
Now some of it might be related to education, but even the ones I have known who are not that educated still embrace the traditional American values of trying to get ahead, and knowing this country, above all others affords us all those type of opportunities.
On a side note, while I am waiting for Rocko20 to respond, there is a story I'd like to get you take on. A guy that worked at the same place (but in a different field) I did would talk with me when it was slow. We mainly talked about sports, but also shot the breeze about general things. He was a security guard, but he was always talking about his other part time jobs and wanting to go back to school as well.
One late night he confided to me that he did not have many black friends anymore. It seemed like a strange thing to say, but it was obviously bugging him.
He went on to say that most of his old friends had started to criticize him for "acting white" because he was "working for the man" and other such nonsense. After listening to his story I came to the conclusion that they were just acting jealous of his getting ahead. He agreed, and more or less had come to the same conclusion.
Still, he said that didn't help the problem of him not being able to have things like they use to be with his old buds.
So being a reasoned black person, what is your view as to why some blacks deride others, and use a racial component to try and make them feel bad?
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