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Old 10-03-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm confused.

Statists tell me consent can be given by being born (social contract) or simply by being in a specific location in time (you live in State X you have agreed to the laws of that government which claims jurisdiction over you).

So why can't consent be a woman wearing a short dress, walking alone late at night, or drinking X number of beers in a bar? Or, maybe I decide consent is given by her when she breaths. It's just as arbitrary as the other measures that Statists use in affirming consent.

Help me out. I live by the non-aggression principle where the person who initiates force is always wrong. I also only follow personal contracts where two or more parties, free from duress and with the cognitive ability to do so, agree to terms as my form of consent.

My head is spinning.

 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Men do not have the right to get grabby with women based on the way they're dressed. That's common sense, isn't it?

But there are women who get drunk and behave in all kinds of ways and then claim they were assaulted the next day. Or they black out from alcohol. And sometimes both the man and the woman black out, and neither can remember what happened but the woman has evidence of sexual activity she doesn't recall consenting to.

It's the latter that is the problem. So what is the solution to that?
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Originally Posted by Cantabridgienne View Post
Pretty much every woman in New York I know, myself included, has had a man push or rub his penis against her on a crowded subway. So, I guess avoid public transportation, ladies. But when that Uber driver rapes you, you should have known better than to get into a car with a stranger, what are you, crazy?
BS!!!! I don't know any women that have has such an experience on the subway in NY. BS I say.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Men do not have the right to get grabby with women based on the way they're dressed. That's common sense, isn't it?

But there are women who get drunk and behave in all kinds of ways and then claim they were assaulted the next day. Or they black out from alcohol. And sometimes both the man and the woman black out, and neither can remember what happened but the woman has evidence of sexual activity she doesn't recall consenting to.

It's the latter that is the problem. So what is the solution to that?

I'd say don't drink as much next time.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Men do not have the right to get grabby with women based on the way they're dressed. That's common sense, isn't it?

But there are women who get drunk and behave in all kinds of ways and then claim they were assaulted the next day. Or they black out from alcohol. And sometimes both the man and the woman black out, and neither can remember what happened but the woman has evidence of sexual activity she doesn't recall consenting to.

It's the latter that is the problem. So what is the solution to that?
We could try Prohibition again.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Men do not have the right to get grabby with women based on the way they're dressed. That's common sense, isn't it?

But there are women who get drunk and behave in all kinds of ways and then claim they were assaulted the next day. Or they black out from alcohol. And sometimes both the man and the woman black out, and neither can remember what happened but the woman has evidence of sexual activity she doesn't recall consenting to.

It's the latter that is the problem. So what is the solution to that?
It's not a problem.

If you and another party can't recall consent you'll have to chalk it up to a "whatever" and move on.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Women can only do so much.

It's not their fault that immature insecure men think buying women a drink, dinner, dancing with them at the club, giving them a ride, giving them a job, gettgin their number, or inviting them over to their house entitles them to sex.

Nothing entitles you to sex.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
Yes, but not wait 30 years to report it.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
The perpetrator needs to keep his damn hands to himself. He is responsible for his actions. Period. Don't tell me people can't "control" themselves. That's a lie.
 
Old 10-03-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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Why would the perp be less at fault?

If someone burglarizes your house, do you think the sentence is less if you had a cheap lock on your door?
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