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It's a tragedy, Trump is as divisive as ever. First he divides us politically, then he divides us racially, now he's dividing us by gender.
I'm totally disgusted with the men on this board who are trying to justify why it's OK to suppress and ignore women who have been sexually assaulted while giving men a pass! Why would women come out in such a toxic environment?
THESE men are the reasons why so many women have not come forward about their own experiences with sexual assault.
No means NO! It doesn't mean 'It's ok because nobody will believe her anyway!'
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I hate to break it to you but your party is the one that is being divisive. Hypothetically speaking, if democrats were to go about their lives in a normal fashion, respecting the results of the electoral college, and waiting until it is their turn to run the country again, the divisions in this country would not exist as they do today. Period. End of story.
You can't have division if there is no catalyst, and the catalyst right now is the democratic party leaders and media constantly yelling at everyone to band together against the country's leadership.
Democrats would be infinitely more successful in their mission if they simply used their collective rage to pull together a no-kidding compelling agenda to defeat republicans in future elections. Stop the screaming, stop the endless propaganda, stop fabricating allegations against people to score political wins... just stop. Or don't, and continue losing.
Personally I don't think a man making some so-so comments or maybe even some awkward dating behavior (groping, for instance) and other behavior that can be highly misinterpreted is anything to get upset about. If this generation of women gets upset over teeny tiny minor stuff like that, it's kind of ridiculous. It suggests a very, very sheltered upbringing.
If women want to be equals then they need to act like equals. Which means stop acting like prima donnas and little babies.
If someone is raped, that's an entirely different story. But even with that, it often borders on consensual, so I have my doubts about some of that too. I've had my share of actions that weren't quite wonderful but I would never in a million years accuse someone especially if we had both been drinking.
Women DO share culpability if they are drinking and if they are putting themselves physically in locations where they could easily get taken advantage of.
I also don't believe a man should automatically be taken as guilty and the woman as innocent.
And men do not share culpability if they are drinking and put themselves physically in a location with a woman where they both are unable to determine what is consensual. Or choose to "date" a woman so unstable that she later proves vindictive.
Do not misunderstand. No one deserves to be raped and no one deserves a false accusation.
What happened to concepts that everyone (both sexes) need take responsibility for their actions. And exercise good judgment.
There have been technological changes that impact cultural standards surrounding sexual behavior. The availability of the Pill (reducing the probability of unwanted pregnancy) no doubt led to more sexual activity among so-called "nice" girls. The availability of DNA testing increased the chances that a male would be held financially responsible for a child he fathered.
No doubt it is not wise for women to drink and put themselves physically in locations "where they could easily get taken advantage of." But perhaps, too, men should also not drink to where they are less likely to discern whether specific sexual actions are appropriate and then again put themselves into a problematic situation with an unknown girl.
Maybe both sexes might ponder whether it is wise to restrict certain behaviors to whose in whom you have some confidence. At a minimum, there are biological consequences like STDs and HIV.
As for "groping," there are numerous statutes that address unwanted sexual contact with differing degrees of offense. Sexual touching outside the clothing ... sexual touching inside the clothing ... sexual touching that penetrates. Acceptance of such touching used to be part of the job, say, for cocktail waitresses and in other workplaces. Not so much now. I see no reason to legally reclassify groping as "teeny tiny minor stuff."
In light of daily, never ending new threads from posters sounding the alarm about a culture that is supposedly growing more 'anti-male' with an epidemic of false allegations of rape, don't let these people divert attention away from the fact that sexual assault is a very real problem in our society.
And we have perfectly adequate mechanisms of dealing with it, that the politically motivated agitations of your contingent are trying to break for political purposes; at great cost to our legal system and society.
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Contrary to the sensationalist opinions expressed on this forum that men are in extreme danger of being accused of rape for simply complimenting a woman on her dress, false accusations of rape are rare as compared to real sexual assaults.
Again, I refer you to our adequate system. In addition, you have no way of verifying your claim. You are merely stating "believe me".
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No, guys in general are not being accused of rape from one night stands, guy aren't being accused of rape for complimenting a woman on her looks, etc. etc.
How do you know, and how do you know where this will lead? You don't. Screw with the system that prior relied on hard evidence, and get screwy results.
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Just because the media sensationalizes cases where accusations of rape proved to be false (Duke lacrosse team, etc.), does NOT mean fake accusations are the norm.
Media sensationalization means the normalization of such baseless accusations when they occur. Your "the norm" has no practical meaning. Any uptick in the false accusation rate, detected and recorded or not, means that your contingent's actions have distorted the "norm". They certainly did a lot of damage at the time of the Duke case. By the way, what damage did you do with your words during the time of that case? CD wants to know.
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In fact, those women who typically falsely accuse men of rape fit a certain type of profile with a criminal background, which is why such accusations are rare.
Really? Show your work. Where is your study that proves that fact, or are you just making things up? Don't link to liberally biased publications and expect us to pull the research from them. Cite the research article and summarize the conclusions. For Pete's sake.
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The reasons why people here like to jump on the "most rape reports are false" bandwagon is because it suits their political agendas,
All of the Leftist nonsense around this in the past few years, inclusive of the Duke false rape case and Kavanaugh, was to "suit a political agenda". GTFO of here with your hypocrisy.
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and it also diverts issue away from the real issues since they love to live in a happy bubble where men are free to act any way they want towards women without fear (not to mention the women that enable the opinions of these men).
Your savior complex isn't going to get you laid.
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This isn't a democrat/republican issue, so stop making it so.
1. Good luck commanding anyone to do anything. You haven't got the stuff for it.
2. It absolutely is such an issue, because the Left has obviously made it such an issue. Trying to disqualify a Supreme Court judge from confirmation, using a flimsy high school interaction accusation, is proof enough of that.
However, in general, this "issue", which is actually about validating and giving teeth to flimsy claims and nothing else, is about changing the culture toward one where sexual interaction becomes more legalized and eventually difficult to engage in at all.
So, yes, this is a cultural and thus political issue that we are not all on the same side of.
Unfortunately this can happen to anyone with any crime.
Someone steals your identity and your life is ruined for years. Wrong accusations happen all the time for many different offenses. How about those death row prisoners who are exonerated by DNA? How many people gave false eyewitness identifications to make that happen? Accusations of pedophilia is also an unproven accusation epidemic that ruins reputations and lives.
Despite mens' current victim status complaints, invalid accusations have been made for years and years against other demographics and other crimes. Join the club.
Just curious how many of these people aghast and outraged about false accusations, jumped on the bandwagon spreading lies and rumors about child sex trafficking rings out of pizza parlors and made ridiculous fantastical accusations about Hillary and John Podesta? Luckily the sane Americans won out over the conspiracy nuts, but it seems rather hypocritical.
Stealing my identity is always illegal.
There is no circumstance in which stealing my identity is consensual.
Sex with an adult is a legal act in every case except when the female partner doesn't consent.
The lack of consent, unless protested verbally or physically, is characterized only by thoughts known only to her and only at that moment.
So when a "victim" claims to have been raped by a man, how are the thoughts that were in her head at the time the sex occurred verified and proven and how is a man supposed to know she changed her mind three seconds before he climaxes?
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In light of daily, never ending new threads from posters sounding the alarm about a culture that is supposedly growing more 'anti-male' with an epidemic of false allegations of rape, don't let these people divert attention away from the fact that sexual assault is a very real problem in our society.
Contrary to the sensationalist opinions expressed on this forum that men are in extreme danger of being accused of rape for simply complimenting a woman on her dress, false accusations of rape are rare as compared to real sexual assaults.
No, guys in general are not being accused of rape from one night stands, guy aren't being accused of rape for complimenting a woman on her looks, etc. etc. Just because the media sensationalizes cases where accusations of rape proved to be false (Duke lacrosse team, etc.), does NOT mean fake accusations are the norm. In fact, those women who typically falsely accuse men of rape fit a certain type of profile with a criminal background, which is why such accusations are rare.
The reasons why people here like to jump on the "most rape reports are false" bandwagon is because it suits their political agendas, and it also diverts issue away from the real issues since they love to live in a happy bubble where men are free to act any way they want towards women without fear (not to mention the women that enable the opinions of these men). This isn't a democrat/republican issue, so stop making it so.
The figure for the US is 8% in relation to those determined to be false after investigation according to the FBI, however this does not include those who have been wrongly convicted. It's even higher in some other western countries, with one in tem rape allegations being proved false, hopwever again thios might not be the fully story. Indeed it was recently foundthat in England & Wales, the prosecution wasn't even giving the defence evidence that could have been used to clear defendents names, just how disgusting is that, and as a result innocent people went to jail.
I am sorry but innocent peole going to prison is never right and rape must be proved beyond any reasonable doubt and based on all the available evidemNe, like any other crime. As accusations and injustices are unaccptable as is the stigma involved, and wronfully sending people to prison leaved a lasting scar on peoples lives.
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