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But here we are dealing with issue from the point of view of the founders.
A place to start may be at the beginning and look for todays solutions.
Are we going to be the country the founders intended or the one Chairman Mao or Stalin wanted ?
If you think the Founders of this country would want the kind of nonsense the Party of Trump is pulling, I have some mountain villas in Kansas to sell you.
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If you think the Founders of this country would want the kind of nonsense the Party of Trump is pulling, I have some mountain villas in Kansas to sell you.
You should document this "nonsense" of which you speak. Are you referring to the nomination of a conservative judge? Because that is precisely why so many people voted for Trump.
Well, that and the tax cut.
Another reason the Senate was to be populated by people appointed by their state governments instead of directly elected by the people, is so that they would be loyal to their states, and would oppose any effort by the Fed govt to take power from the states that the Fed was not authorized to.
This is perhaps the biggest reason of all, why the progressives of the early 1900s worked so hard to change who chooses Senators for such sensitive and longlasting decisions. The constitutional limits on Federal government power, were squarely in their crosshairs for destruction. And the Senate could not be allowed to keep blocking expansion of central government power.
You should document this "nonsense" of which you speak. Are you referring to the nomination of a conservative judge? Because that is precisely why so many people voted for Trump.
Well, that and the tax cut.
And the wall.
And the reduction of Fed govt intrusion.
And the exposure of the media as a propaganda arm of the Democrat party rather than the objective press they once were.
"Democrats have disgraced themselves with Mob Rule"
Hmmmmmm mob rule???? Do you mean mob rule enthusiasm for locking up one's political opponent, ( the chant initiated by the leader) while also cheering at the same rally for a president lamenting the decline of the principle of assumed innocence when it applies only to his cronies or his very own self?
Yikes the cherry-picking law and order crowd strikes again.
Of phma, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
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Reason: clarity
I'm not reading the link, just stopped by to point out that the hate of Liberals from the right is so over the top it's reached comical status. I mean we have 2 brothers proudly wearing shirts saying they'd rather be Russian than Democrats. WTF is wrong with you people? We are all Americans first.
The "right" is a weird mix. But you have to understand they have been brainwashed in the same ways dictators brain wash their personal protection to ensure they will die protecting them.
Trump is just a symptom of a much greater disease.
Ailes, Murdoch and their crew have spent a large chunk of their lives building out a propaganda network that was designed from the beginning to divide. People like Newt , were not the first, he just got on board early and helped to create a culture of "win at all cost" and dehumanization of political opponents.
Repubs are angry and so full of hate right now because for the first time in their lives Liberals are learning to act the same way they act all the time. Republicans spent 8 obstructing Obama on a scale the US has NEVER SEEN BEFORE! and i mean that. They even stole a seat on the SCOTUS and blocked well over 100 other higher court judges from being seated.....
The Funny part is ....
After the Nov 16 election Trumpers danced around laughing and declaring 8 years of liberal tears. Well turned out they got more like 8 weeks and they have been crying and whining ever since. Never have i seen so many supposed "alphas" crying and stamping their little feet.. because some libs blocked this or that....
Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”
Madison and Hamilton believed that Athenian citizens had been swayed by crude and ambitious politicians who had played on their emotions.
The Mob : “Federalist No. 10” as a group “united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.”
So Conservatives trying to pass voter id laws, absent of evidence or logic, would count as mob rule, right?
You are reading a lot into the states I selected to illustrate that small states have equal representation in their interests. The point was that in its original form, it was constituted to represent the states' interest, not to be another 'representative' - of the citizenry - body.
Hope that clarifies my use of the chosen small and big states.
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Your argument is flawed. The 17th did not change the number of Senators per state. Each state had two prior to the Amendment, and each state still has two. I am sure you know that, so what's up with the weird logic?
Yes, miss-quoting a post certainly is the mark of the over qualified, highly educated intellect.
Are you sure you know what quoting means?
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