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Old 10-07-2018, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I wish conservatives cared as much about the 4th amendment as they do the 2nd.
Exactly. It is as if conservatives think the constitution consists only of amendments 1 & 2.

 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:11 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Can you describe a ruling in which it was not based on the constitution?
Obamacare mandate being called a tax was some pretty fancy footwork around it. PL-142, better know as the law that mandated special education is a violation of the 10th amendment. Roe v Wade is definitely an example, as are some of the other cases people have been wringing their hands over. Saying these rulings were not really in following with the constitution is not saying their resulting impact is wrong. I would argue many were to the betterment of our nation. It is saying it should have either been done at a state level or achieved through congress doing their legislative duty. The concept of judicial legislation should not exist according to our constitution, and yet it does in reality.
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Old 10-07-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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First, don’t make things up. Protect the 2nd Amendment. End race based AA.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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First, don’t make things up. Protect the 2nd Amendment. End race based AA.
This kind of statement does little to explain or inform how you think the SCOTUS hasn't upheld The Constitution.

Do you have a specific example?
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Can you describe a ruling in which it was not based on the constitution?



rbg, regularly looks at foreign law to make her decisions.....Why?


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/us/12ginsburg.html
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:19 AM
 
Location: CasaMo
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I wish conservatives cared as much about the 4th amendment as they do the 2nd.
I think you have a point. I've defended the 4th and 5th (just like the 1st and 2nd) and I've been called a "cop hater", "you must have something to hide", "how dare you obstruct those that put their lives on the line", etc...

There's a lot of ignorance on both sides.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:19 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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rbg, regularly looks at foreign law to make her decisions.....Why?


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/us/12ginsburg.html
If we’re relying on a decision from a German judge about what our Constitution means, no president accountable to the people appointed that judge and no Senate accountable to the people confirmed that judge,” Chief Justice Roberts said at his confirmation hearing. “And yet he’s playing a role in shaping the law that binds the people in this country.”
Amen!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-07-2018, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Obamacare mandate being called a tax was some pretty fancy footwork around it. PL-142, better know as the law that mandated special education is a violation of the 10th amendment. Roe v Wade is definitely an example, as are some of the other cases people have been wringing their hands over. Saying these rulings were not really in following with the constitution is not saying their resulting impact is wrong. I would argue many were to the betterment of our nation. It is saying it should have either been done at a state level or achieved through congress doing their legislative duty. The concept of judicial legislation should not exist according to our constitution, and yet it does in reality.
Will these rulings be reversed by the new conservative court?

BTW, wasn't it conservative justice Roberts who cast the determining vote regarding the "tax" for the ACA?
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:19 AM
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Follow the constitution? Too funny, not gonna happen. Remember a so called conservative justice delivered the deciding vote that gave us Obamacare and Kavanaugh helped write the unpatriotic act. I know there many more examples of conservative justices voting in conflict with the constitution, but anyone can look them up for themselves.
The court is a joke, stacked with robe wearing politicians and the constitution has been irrelevant for a couple of centuries.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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rbg, regularly looks at foreign law to make her decisions.....Why?


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/us/12ginsburg.html
But what ruling has specifically not upheld The Constitution.

I think that someone who looks to all kinds of information to formulate an opinion is someone who is willing to explore ideas.

And make decisions, within the American framework and Constitution.

But what ruling specifically have conservaitves felt did not uphold The Constitution and why?

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