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Old 10-10-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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This was absolutely done to target Native Americans, do they have any evidence of voter fraud that required this drastic action. We have seen this same action played out over the last few years to remove valid voters from the rolls.

Nope. This law specifically allows these tribal councils to provide their members with a compliant id with an address. It doesn't even require the address be a USPS postal address. These tribes could have easily done this by now, instead they chose to do nothing but legally resist it.
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:24 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Nope. This law specifically allows these tribal councils to provide their members with a compliant id with an address. It doesn't even require the address be a USPS postal address. These tribes could have easily done this by now, instead they chose to do nothing but legally resist it.
Of course the tribes have nothing better to do than resist laws. It's not like they know how to run their own reservations or anything. And this is really not a voter ID law. This is a physical address law, and it's not at all the same thing as a voter ID law. Many, if not most Natives have IDs. Few of them have physical addresses. This is not about identification. This is about blocking votes.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nope. This law specifically allows these tribal councils to provide their members with a compliant id with an address. It doesn't even require the address be a USPS postal address. These tribes could have easily done this by now, instead they chose to do nothing but legally resist it.
Well if what you say is true what does a compliant ID look like, and if the reservations are developing an ID what exactly have they accomplished by this process. It seems this entire process was to make it more difficult, why are they suddenly doing this now after decades of inaction, what exactly was the problem they are addressing.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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Of course the tribes have nothing better to do than resist laws. It's not like they know how to run their own reservations or anything. And this is really not a voter ID law. This is a physical address law, and it's not at all the same thing as a voter ID law. Many, if not most Natives have IDs. Few of them have physical addresses. This is not about identification. This is about blocking votes.

Apparently, they are running them so well that the average income on a reservation is half that of national average. Maybe it's time they stepped into the modern world. Like having a physical address in a database.



Voter Id is about showing that you are entitled to vote where you are attempting to vote. And that means proving residency. Proving where you live. Reservations cross state boundaries.



I have an Id that proves who I am but it doesn't prove that I am entitled to vote in North Dakota. PO Boxes do not prove residency. You can go get yourself 50 different PO Boxes but that doesn't prove you live in 50 different places or entitle you to vote 50 times.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Apparently, they are running them so well that the average income on a reservation is half that of national average. Maybe it's time they stepped into the modern world. Like having a physical address in a database.



Voter Id is about showing that you are entitled to vote where you are attempting to vote. And that means proving residency. Proving where you live. Reservations cross state boundaries.



I have an Id that proves who I am but it doesn't prove that I am entitled to vote in North Dakota. PO Boxes do not prove residency. You can go get yourself 50 different PO Boxes but that doesn't prove you live in 50 different places or entitle you to vote 50 times.
I am looking for the law that says I am an ND resident only if i have a residential address there. I used the example before. I live in an RV and I do not maintain a fixed address. Do you really believe that I am therefore not an ND citizen? If I try that in California can I get out of paying CA income tax?

In actual fact there are any number of ways of establishing a residential address virtually ankywhere. At various times I have had two. I for instance lived for a year where I had an address in Dallas, Los Angeles and Rochester. So in fact a residential address has no role in determining residence.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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Simple solution, we'll require a SS number to register and link all the state's voter registrations together to be sure no SS number is registered in more than one place.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:30 PM
 
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As far as this thread pertains to North Dakota, there's no need to debate it further. All appeals have been exhausted. The final decision has been rendered. Get over it.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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As far as this thread pertains to North Dakota, there's no need to debate it further. All appeals have been exhausted. The final decision has been rendered. Get over it.
Untrue. The original decision still stands. This is simply dealing with the injunction preventing enforcing the law.

Read the reality...not what you think it means.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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I am looking for the law that says I am an ND resident only if i have a residential address there.

Residency

Any person who has lived in this state 90 consecutive days shall be deemed a resident of North Dakota for the purpose of non-driver photo identification card issuance. Proof of North Dakota resident address is required. You must be a resident of North Dakota to obtain a non-driver photo identification card.


https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/dri...quirements.htm
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:38 PM
 
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Untrue. The original decision still stands. This is simply dealing with the injunction preventing enforcing the law.

Then what's all the fuss about? Will a person be allowed to vote in ND without an Id having a physical address?
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