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Old 10-10-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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The members of the religious right who oppose it must have watched Reefer Madness when they were younger and thought it was a documentary?

I think some of the more conservative churches speak to the evils of all substances that alter the mind. These same folks are the ones who were behind prohibition.
First "Reefer Madness" mention in the thread! It's like clockwork...bro!
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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I want to preface by saying I know not all conservatives are against legalization. However, the primary resistance to legalizing cannabis at this time is coming from the Republican Party, specifically the donor class and the religious right.

Why is this one of those issues where the typical "small government" narrative does not apply? Why is it that we need a big nanny-state government to protect ourselves from the devil's lettuce? Is it because conservatives simply detest weed because it's more commonly associated with liberal sectors of the American populace? Is it because they believe it is sinful? Do conservatives genuinely believe that the War on Drugs is working and that locking up non-violent marijuana users is a good idea? Conservatives hate when liberals compare weed to alcohol and tobacco but it's a very good comparison. Recreational use is a vice and weed has medicinal properties for some people and conditions.

I'm not saying marijuana is harmless. I think the risk factors are overblown but it isn't completely harmless. However, just because there are risks associated doesn't necessarily mean it should be illegal. Why do Republicans typically think otherwise?



What are you talking about?



It's the Democrats, fueled by money from the prison industrial complex, which has jailed millions of people for simple possession. They absolutely don't want to make Pot legal.
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I prefer alcohol to weed too but who am I to tell somebody that my drug of choice should be their drug of choice?
I think that one of the main problems is too many associate it as only a drug

drinking alcohol (whiskey, tequila, vodka, etc ) has only a few purposes..drinking, fuel(only the extremely high proof which is almost undrinkable..(which is why I said "drinking alcohol)), and a local disinfectant and yes it is a drug


hemp has 1001 uses other than getting high

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Old 10-10-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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What are you talking about?



It's the Democrats, fueled by money from the prison industrial complex, which has jailed millions of people for simple possession. They absolutely don't want to make Pot legal.
Very few people end up in prison for simple marijuana possession. That idea is pure propaganda, and anytime you hear propaganda or someone points out propaganda to you, it's wise to ask why they are misleading people.
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I think that one of the main problems is too many associate it as only a drug

drinking alcohol (whiskey, tequila, vodka, etc ) has only one purpose..drinking and yes it is a drug


hemp has 1001 uses other than getting high
Not exactly correct, alcohol can be burned as fuel and as a disinfectant so like weed, it has value beyond its drug effect.
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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For whatever reason they oppose industrial hemp in South Dakota as well. Why? I have no idea. They have to be getting paid off by somebody to tow the same old crap over and over again.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...dakota-capitol
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:18 PM
 
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I don't hear a lot for the Republicans on this issue. I think they realize the pot-legalization-ship has sailed.
It hasnt sailed at all, if you remember the DEA took a full page ad out reminding people that marijuana was still a schedule one drug and would remain that way...they were not even considering changing the schedule!!

Imo, that is the problem right there, a Govt agency NOT listening to what the people want, public opinion on marijuana and other drugs is changing, if Govt does not serve the interest of the people, we can remedy that pretty quickly, even by force if necessary.

As Ive said before, the DEA and other narco law enforcement agencies are a big part of the problem, they do what they want, they fight to keep all drugs as illegal as possible..Gee, thats exactly what the drug cartels want too...now isnt that a funny coincidence?! LOL

Seriously, Ive told my kids thru out their lives, DEA are scum of the earth, lowest of the low, they deserve NO respect, they are WORSE than the drug cartels who make this stuff.
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:27 PM
 
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Not exactly correct, alcohol can be burned as fuel and as a disinfectant so like weed, it has value beyond its drug effect.
Alcohol actually is even a fuel for the human body but mostly empty calories like sugar lol. I don't like it as a motor fuel, but it certainly is a fuel, a good solvent and anti-septic, and temporary pain reliver too.
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I want to preface by saying I know not all conservatives are against legalization. However, the primary resistance to legalizing cannabis at this time is coming from the Republican Party, specifically the donor class and the religious right.

Why is this one of those issues where the typical "small government" narrative does not apply? Why is it that we need a big nanny-state government to protect ourselves from the devil's lettuce? Is it because conservatives simply detest weed because it's more commonly associated with liberal sectors of the American populace? Is it because they believe it is sinful? Do conservatives genuinely believe that the War on Drugs is working and that locking up non-violent marijuana users is a good idea? Conservatives hate when liberals compare weed to alcohol and tobacco but it's a very good comparison. Recreational use is a vice and weed has medicinal properties for some people and conditions.

I'm not saying marijuana is harmless. I think the risk factors are overblown but it isn't completely harmless. However, just because there are risks associated doesn't necessarily mean it should be illegal. Why do Republicans typically think otherwise?
Honestly, I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of where the GOP is heading. Like it or not, dragged kicking and screaming if necessary, the younger generation of the GOP is anti-authoritarian, Libertarian and pro-legalization. There's still far too much of the nanny-statists in the party for my tastes, which is one of the countless reasons I don't number myself with them. But that's the direction the wind is blowing. The Left is morphing from hyper-liberal to a weird feel-good hyper-authoritarism. The Right is grabbing up the casualties cast off by the Left in the wake of that move. The old traditional GOP'ers won't be able to stay in control for much longer as a result. May not be much point calling it the Grand Old Party once it's fully shifted.

Brass tax: Marijuana is bad for you. So is cocaine, heroin, PCP, LSD, crystal meth, crack, speed, etc. I have never done any illegal drug and never will, but I do want to see all of the above decriminalized. I'd rather save the spot in prison for child rapists and check the dumbass who overdosed on heroin into rehab instead. Rehab costs less and is a helluva lot more effective. There is an endless list of activities that are dangerous or even outright self-destructive that are also completely legal. This is as it should be. The state should never be in the business of protecting people from themselves.
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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What are you talking about?



It's the Democrats, fueled by money from the prison industrial complex, which has jailed millions of people for simple possession. They absolutely don't want to make Pot legal.
When will we see an effort coming from the GOP to legalize marijuana? Furthermore, when will they stop trying to fight it every step of the way? When that happens, I'll believe you. You are living in fantasy land if you deny that at this point in time, Democrats are more in favor of legalizing weed than Republicans. It's actually not even a contest.

You people are absolutely unbelievable.
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