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Sorry, not the same data. What you linked to is Global Land-Ocean Temperature Index, which is a measure of temperature CHANGE. The graph from the other poster is not change, it's flat average yearly temperature plotted against year. After all, that's what we are discussing, right? Global mean yearly temperature going up, no? So look at the graph. Has it gone up? Yes it has. But how much? That graph shows the change accurately. And it doesn't matter who printed it, as long as the input data is not falsified, it is accurate.
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Why did you post that link?...it has nothing to do with the graph.
The graph is accurate, it's GISS/NASA annual global land and sea temps...
Man, you are just a fountain of knowledge tonight. Thank you! So, Matadora, look at that link. You will see two graphs. They are two views of the SAME data (ave temp vs year on the first, and Y-scaling transformed to temp change on the second and degrees zoomed in radically). Which of those two would you present if you were trying to convince people of a big catastrophic change? They are both accurate, but the second leads your thoughts in the exact opposite direction than does the first, no?
You really don't understand that it is all coming from the same data set, do you? You honestly don't.
I'm the one who posted the data set and yes it's all coming from the same data set.
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The difference is in the way it is presented. One way tends to sensationalize it, the other does not.
Any statistician worth his/her salt knows how to present a given data set, graphically, in a way that is more likely to make his/her point. And that is assuming there is no fudging on the actual data. I can take the EXACT same set of data and plot it in a way that appears nearly flat line and in a way that appears as if the world is going to end tomorrow.
You don't have to be a statistician to see the glaring flaw in that non-credible graph.
I don’t really see how I can simplify the point I’m making here, it’s not even a question of science, just common sense. The trend over that time period is 0.8 degrees, so of course you can’t see it well using a scale of 160 degrees chosen ‘because that’s the range of a thermometer’. It’s nonsensical. A tiny change to global average temperature represents an enormous amount of energy. Think about how much energy is required to raise the temperature of a planet 1 degree.
Remember, climate is what you expect - weather is what you get.
And also remember, that if you're 'trapping heat' but the land and atmosphere is colder than orbiting spaceships and moons with no atmosphere, reconsider your alarmist rhetoric.
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Of course, do not let facts sway you in your beliefs in the Church of the Warming Planet. You have a right to practice whatever religion you wish.
Fact, leaving capital control in the hands of private power have left our global well being on the precipice of destruction.
For a look at capital control by public (i.e. government) power, just look at the USSR. Er, I mean look at Cuba. Uh, wait a minute...look at Venezuela. No, how about China. Yes, China! That's the ticket. Just give me a minute to put on my mask to filter the smog. And don't pay any attention to the lack of fish in the Yangtze River.
Yes, you are the one unable to interpret the graph....it's not anomalies...it's real temperatures
I'm shocked that you posted a link to "difference in temperature" and can't even read that..
want a bigger shovel?
Yep, it's real temperatures. All measured using the same thermometer, in the same location, where there's been no economic activity to alter the surrounding landscape for the past 150 years. They're REAL, I tell ya!
Yes, you are the one unable to interpret the graph....it's not anomalies...it's real temperatures
I'm shocked that you posted a link to "difference in temperature" and can't even read that..
Silly woman...your graph means nothing. It's just something you found on the internet and posted it as if it some great insight. It's a freaking joke!
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