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Old 10-21-2018, 11:52 PM
 
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Your indoctrination runs deep. They sure did a number on you!

The basic lesson you still need to learn is that there is a difference between believing and understanding.

You believe without objectively understanding why you believe it. That won't get you very far in life.
What a pantload of BS you spew. I'm ashamed for you. Deeply ashamed.

 
Old 10-21-2018, 11:55 PM
 
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Deflection is something deniers excel in.

Now, can you answer the question? Do you even remember the question? Hint: Isotope
It's a Red Herring not worthy of a response. Terroristic propaganda at best. BTW, you're not fooling anyone with your extraneous pseudo-science.

I doubt you even know what an isotope is, and how they differ.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 12:45 AM
 
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It's a Red Herring not worthy of a response. Terroristic propaganda at best. BTW, you're not fooling anyone with your extraneous pseudo-science.

I doubt you even know what an isotope is, and how they differ.
You show you really, really, REALLY don't understand the science, and proudly display your ignorance of that.

This is not anything that is even questioned by any of the deniers who understand anything about science, yet, you call it pseudo-science. Why? Because you won't admit you don't understand a very simple and basic part of science, something most high-school students outside of the deep south know.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 12:49 AM
 
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Padding the bank accounts and wallets of politicians who believe in global warming through re-elections, wasting billions on the Paris Accord, or selling your pickup truck for a Toyota Prius won’t stop Mother Nature, liberals.

Nature has hurricanes, it happens. They were here before humans and they’ll be here long after humans. Spending money to “stop a hurricane” isn’t how Mother Nature works. You can’t bribe Mother Nature. You’ll have better luck trying to stop wild fires, earthquakes, and tornadoes while you’re at it.

We can’t even take care of ourselves yet we have the audacity to think we can control the weather by throwing money at the problem through incompetent politicians.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 01:06 AM
 
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The observed fractioning of the c13/c12 ratio in carbon dioxide due to the kinetic isotope effect during photosynthesis is a big hint. This is consistent with the known amounts of anthropogenic carbon dioxide release since industrial times.

From a basic physics standpoint the observed temperature increase due to atmospheric increase in carbon dioxide emissions in the modern era was accurately postulated over a hundred years ago by some of the greatest scientists of the day [Tyndall, Fourier, Boltzmann, Arhenius and others]. Further development in basic physics [e.g. quantum mechanics, energy transfer, thermodynamics, atmospheric science and more] corroborate the reality of anthropogenic climate change. The mechanism of its cause is well understood and the issue is not in doubt, scientifically speaking.

Attempts to discredit the proven result rely on broad conspiratorial fantasy that requires its adherents to ignore actual physics and instead cry foul claiming the entire world community of scientists in every major professional society in every government agency [NOAA, NASA, DOD and their foreign counterparts] are part of a "globalist" effort and thus temperate data, satellite observations, weather data etc. are fake. When attempting to discredit the data, deniers will rely on cherry picking, obfuscation and misrepresentation of the peer reviewed literature. Deniers frequently, quote out of context and manufacture conclusions not supported by the article being quoted.

The denier mindset is consistent with a world that is increasingly complex in need of good engineers, doctors and scientists to solve existential problems yet whom are rejected based on ideological and partisan pandering to a fear based, parochial world view that sees "one worldism" as a conspiracy to hinder their way of life. The rejection of basic science represents a decline in enlightenment values that humanity will pay dearly for.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 01:54 AM
 
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The observed fractioning of the c13/c12 ratio in carbon dioxide due to the kinetic isotope effect during photosynthesis is a big hint. This is consistent with the known amounts of anthropogenic carbon dioxide release since industrial times.

From a basic physics standpoint the observed temperature increase due to atmospheric increase in carbon dioxide emissions in the modern era was accurately postulated over a hundred years ago by some of the greatest scientists of the day [Tyndall, Fourier, Boltzmann, Arhenius and others]. Further development in basic physics [e.g. quantum mechanics, energy transfer, thermodynamics, atmospheric science and more] corroborate the reality of anthropogenic climate change. The mechanism of its cause is well understood and the issue is not in doubt, scientifically speaking.

Attempts to discredit the proven result rely on broad conspiratorial fantasy that requires its adherents to ignore actual physics and instead cry foul claiming the entire world community of scientists in every major professional society in every government agency [NOAA, NASA, DOD and their foreign counterparts] are part of a "globalist" effort and thus temperate data, satellite observations, weather data etc. are fake. When attempting to discredit the data, deniers will rely on cherry picking, obfuscation and misrepresentation of the peer reviewed literature. Deniers frequently, quote out of context and manufacture conclusions not supported by the article being quoted.

The denier mindset is consistent with a world that is increasingly complex in need of good engineers, doctors and scientists to solve existential problems yet whom are rejected based on ideological and partisan pandering to a fear based, parochial world view that sees "one worldism" as a conspiracy to hinder their way of life. The rejection of basic science represents a decline in enlightenment values that humanity will pay dearly for.
Never believe anyone who refers to themselves or their group as"enlightened". They are all frauds.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 02:00 AM
 
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You show you really, really, REALLY don't understand the science, and proudly display your ignorance of that.

This is not anything that is even questioned by any of the deniers who understand anything about science, yet, you call it pseudo-science. Why? Because you won't admit you don't understand a very simple and basic part of science, something most high-school students outside of the deep south know.
Nice stab in the dark, but you came up empty handed. Your "science", isn't. You babble on endlessly about isotopes proving man burned fossil fuels, as if that is a display of great science.

You aren't fooling anyone, not because we don't understand, but because we do.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 03:06 AM
 
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Never believe anyone who refers to themselves or their group as"enlightened". They are all frauds.
What if your wrong? What if it was on our hands?

Should politicians who misinformed the public be held accountable?

And if we're wrong, the worst thing is that we're not depended on fossil fuels anymore as much as we use to?


The price we pay for us being wrong is an economic inconvenience but better for the long term.

The price you pay for being wrong is irreversible damaged to our echo systems.


it's like playing Russian roulette . None of us know if there's a bullet in that gun. you keep insisting that we play because you get a check each time you pull the trigger.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 03:07 AM
 
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Nice stab in the dark, but you came up empty handed. Your "science", isn't. You babble on endlessly about isotopes proving man burned fossil fuels, as if that is a display of great science.

You aren't fooling anyone, not because we don't understand, but because we do.
Do you even know what any of that means? Or are you just trying to twist things and make yourself sound informed.

Your doc gives you meds for a sickness you have but your neighbor tells you it's a lie, just drink green tea. Who are you gonna trust more?
 
Old 10-22-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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I'll start believing the "science" of global warming..when the people and institutions pushing it..start acting like they believe it

Telling me I need to eat bugs to save the planet....while they buy bigger mega mansions and more planes...

...telling us CO2 is deadly...and allowing the vast majority of countries to emit more

The people and institutions pushing it....either don't believe their own science...or they don't think it's dangerous at all

When they start acting like they believe the "science"...I'll think about it
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