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Old 10-14-2018, 05:42 AM
 
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The point I was making was that we should be doing more to address the reasons why they are leaving instead of attempts to block them once they arrive. Evidently the problems are pretty serious for a family to walk from Honduras to the US, that is a long walk.


If conditions were better in these countries they wouldn't come here in the first place, instead of deporting them once they get here we should address the cause.
If the US stopped handing out free stuff, they wouldn’t come.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:46 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Send them all to California when they get to the border. They welcome these future welfare Democrats since they have plenty of cheap housing and a low cost of living.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:46 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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Plenty of time to get the machine guns set up.
Maybe we should address the problems in Honduras.

I hope you are just joking in bad taste. What are we becoming if people really think like this?
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:47 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6cLdrFZHx0

The ones who they interviewed don't speak English, many of them have very large families, many of the adults appear extremely unhealthy.

Many of them in the caravan of large number of babies and children that they can't afford and appear bloated from different health conditions.

One of them were even wearing military style camouflage in the video.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/over-1000...n-march-report
Tent cities will be expanding. Of course I would turn them away at the border.
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Old 10-14-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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It is not illegal to seek asylum. I don't think this huge parade of people are trying to sneak in. I support immigration reform but it is inncorrect to claim those seeking refugee status are illegals.
Seek asylum under what grounds? They're poor? There are gangs nearby? That could describe numerous areas in any American city, too.

Asylum means persecution based on political or religious reasons. Coming to the U.S. because American taxpayers wil educate your children and give them free breakfasts and lunches doesn't qualify.
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Old 10-14-2018, 06:14 AM
 
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The point I was making was that we should be doing more to address the reasons why they are leaving instead of attempts to block them once they arrive. Evidently the problems are pretty serious for a family to walk from Honduras to the US, that is a long walk.


If conditions were better in these countries they wouldn't come here in the first place, instead of deporting them once they get here we should address the cause.
You honestly think Americans should pay to solve all the problems in a third-world country when we are already 20T in debt?
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Old 10-14-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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Seek asylum under what grounds? They're poor? There are gangs nearby? That could describe numerous areas in any American city, too.

Asylum means persecution based on political or religious reasons. Coming to the U.S. because American taxpayers wil educate your children and give them free breakfasts and lunches doesn't qualify.
My point was that it's not illegal to come to the US seeking asylum. I'm not saying it must be granted, just that they have a right to plead their case under our laws. US asylum law applies to those who have a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. U.S. immigration judges have granted asylum to Central American migrants who can demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution or who qualify for protection under the UN Convention Against Torture. Due to the way that Central American gangs operate, in many cases women and children are targeted by these criminal groups precisely because they are women and children, which U.S. courts have repeatedly interpreted as them being persecuted due to membership in a particular social group. It's up to their judges to determine whether they qualify or not.

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Old 10-14-2018, 06:57 AM
 
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The point I was making was that we should be doing more to address the reasons why they are leaving instead of attempts to block them once they arrive. Evidently the problems are pretty serious for a family to walk from Honduras to the US, that is a long walk.


If conditions were better in these countries they wouldn't come here in the first place, instead of deporting them once they get here we should address the cause.
Of course, give all our wealth away to the the abyss of 3rd world poverty until we are bankrupt.
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Old 10-14-2018, 06:57 AM
 
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My point was that it's not illegal to come to the US seeking asylum. They have a right to plead their case under our laws. US asylum law applies to those who have a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. U.S. immigration judges have granted asylum to Central American migrants who can demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution or who qualify for protection under the UN Convention Against Torture. Due to the way that Central American gangs operate, in many cases women and children are targeted by these criminal groups precisely because they are women and children, which U.S. courts have repeatedly interpreted as them being persecuted due to membership in a particular social group. It's up to their judges to determine whether they qualify or not.
The problem is that the poor, unskilled, uneducated people have heard that claiming asylum is a get-out-of-jail free card, and they disappear into the underground society (while Americans pay to educate and feed their kids). They have anchor babies, and qualify for food stamps, Medicaid, etc., again on the backs of American taxpayers.

We simply cannot afford to add tens of millions of poor, unskilled people to our country who do not contribute to the government coffers. They are lowering the caliber of public schools where they populate. Americans who have played by the rules, work hard, pay taxes, and cannot afford private schools or affluent neighborhoods are paying the price for liberal idealism.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:00 AM
 
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It is not illegal to seek asylum. I don't think this huge parade of people are trying to sneak in. I support immigration reform but it is inncorrect to claim those seeking refugee status are illegals.

Many are using bogus excuses to seek asylum. Many are crossing our border illegally instead of presenting themselves at a legal port of entry requesting asylum. So yes, that does make them illegals.


What do you mean by immigration reform other than amnesty?
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