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Giving money to the less fortunate is morally reprehensible.
That is not help.
So give the same amount to everyone. Yes that would be inflationary, and no the rich don't need it. Giving money to the rich is somehow not reprehensible?
My understanding of slavery, is that the slave can't just quit being a slave, and become a slave owner whenever they want -that's why I think it's different.
I think welfare is the cheap option, and good for the economy.
It's not necessarily cheap, but it is money forced into the economy. And that added money can certainly benefit many people and businesses on up the chain.
In the libertarian world these kids just die if they are not rich or in the right place and at the right time. That's the deal. It is called lack of empathy.
I'm a tax payer who understands that some programs are necessary for the good intent it has overall.
Oh, stop making sense. Common sense has no place in this forum.
And as a taxpayer, and someone who works in social services, I understand that there are going to be people who abuse privileges. There is no system or organization in the world where this doesn't happen.
But how do we reduce the likelihood of abuse? The people who are shouting "end welfare!" aren't coming up with any reasonable solutions or alternatives.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Welfare should be funded voluntarily.
How do you go about that? Got any viable logistics?
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Originally Posted by burdell
[b]IF they really oppose welfare, WHY don't they speak up against things like the billion$ sent to Israel that get funneled back to the MIC as corporate welfare or the $12B Trump proposes paying farmers as a bail-out for the problem he created?
Good point.
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Originally Posted by phantompilot
European welfare systems historically have consisted of charitable works thru churches (and due to religion most people believed it their duty to pay "alms" to beggars or the church itself, thus leading to the establishment of quangos such as "almshouses", poor houses, and work houses) as well as privately funded orphanages, the system of apprenticeships, the system of indenture, etc. Some of these were abusive and there could be cruel conditions....as anyone who has ever read Dickens will know.
We tried that in the U.S., too, for more than a century. It didn't work. It wasn't adequate. People still starved and died from illness. Hence, the modern safety net.
Anyone who has a better idea, by all means share it. Share it with your U.S. reps and senators, too! Don't keep such good news to yourselves.
So give the same amount to everyone. Yes that would be inflationary, and no the rich don't need it. Giving money to the rich is somehow not reprehensible?
Employing lies doesn’t help your credibility.
The top 30% of the people pay almost all the taxes but receive virtually no benefits while the bottom 50% pay no taxes but rake in virtually all the benefits.
In the libertarian world these kids just die if they are not rich or in the right place and at the right time. That's the deal. It is called lack of empathy.
In the libertarian world, those children wouldn’t be born.
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In the USA welfare programs almost exclusively help the very poor and do little for working people near the poverty line. If you work two jobs and make $25k a year you get no help, if you are an unemployed unmarried woman with 3 kids by 3 different men you get welfare, food stamps, public housing, and free health insurance. Thus welfare is not popular in the USA. In socialist nations people of all income levels benefit from the system and welfare is supported by most people.
Rest assured most conservatives/Republicans believe in a safety net (which includes welfare) for those citizens who are not able-bodied, and genuinely need our societies assistance to survive.
However, where they part with liberals/Democrats is giving to those who are too lazy or made bad choices in their life and refuse to take responsibility for themselves. Many are slugs who could work, but either have a chip on their shoulder about why they cannot get ahead, or outright cheats who enjoy getting free stuff because money grows on trees.
Heck even if they know government money is generated by other people who are actually working and contributing to society, they don't care. They look at us as suckers in many cases figuring why should I work like a dog when I can get them to take care of me needs, while I have fun.
Now you might wonder why liberals and/or Democrats think in the way they do. In liberals case, many are bleeding hearts and do not want to hold people accountable to make it on their own in our capitalist society. They buy into all the sob stories, distortions and flat out lies to justify their support of the slugs.
Democrats as a party have a more insidious reason. They want people to be dependent on their party via handouts (whether legit or not) in exchange for their votes.
The (D's) do not care about how it creates generational welfare and dependency on the the government, all they want is votes to maintain power to do other things most people would not approve of.
This video touches on some of it, especially how the (D's) cynically take advantage of blacks via "free stuff" in exchange for a bumped load of votes.
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The bottom line is many of us do and have worked our rear ends off to pay our bills and get ahead, without taking a dime of other taxpayers money. We certainly have not taken any type of social welfare, yet many feel entitled to it, without a trace of remorse, guilt or shame;
She along with tons of losers like the Welfare surfer just abuse the system on the backs of our hard labor.
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Pure deadbeat. She needs to be cut off instantly.
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